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Re: Kickstarter: Shabbos App
« Reply #90 on: September 30, 2014, 11:32:35 AM »
OK. All it takes it two words: Uvdin dechol. It is ossur. No ifs or buts.
There is absolutely nothing else to discuss from a halachic perspective.
I challenge anyone to find a posek who is a Ben yeshiva (not a collage grad with a degree in "halachic theory") who will not categorically dismiss this on the uvdin dechol basis.
הגרש"ז אויערבאך to name the most notable one.

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Re: Kickstarter: Shabbos App
« Reply #91 on: September 30, 2014, 11:39:59 AM »
You're more than welcome to post what halachik issue you think he missed.
But just to post a comment without substance like this one is like being Christian without believing in Jesus.

You make no sense.
OK. All it takes it two words: Uvdin dechol. It is ossur. No ifs or buts.

thats for starters...

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Re: Kickstarter: Shabbos App
« Reply #92 on: September 30, 2014, 11:44:50 AM »
הגרש"ז אויערבאך to name the most notable one.
???

Haven't you heard the news? he passed away before smart phones were invented.

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Re: Kickstarter: Shabbos App
« Reply #93 on: September 30, 2014, 11:49:38 AM »
???

Haven't you heard the news? he passed away before smart phones were invented.
i imagine moshel is referring to his view on electricity use vis a vis the issue of uvdin dechol... And his overall view on electricity on shabbos

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Re: Kickstarter: Shabbos App
« Reply #94 on: September 30, 2014, 11:52:51 AM »
Uvdin Dechol doesn't apply to anything you decide to apply it to just because you're not used to see people doing it on shabbos. This has been discussed numerous times when new technologies  came out. Here's a list of a few that come to mind that some poskim tried assuring due to them being עובדין דחול but eventually people got used to it and today nobody thinks they are that.

Shabbos clocks
Putting gas into seltzer
Pushing a carriage where there's an eruv.

According to most poskim, in order for something to be prohibitted for being uvdin de'chol it must be one of the following two things, 1) It should be something that involves טורח גדול, such as carrying very heavy non muktza items from one house to another, exercise according to some, or 2) it should be something that there's a חשש that it can come to a מלאכה דאורייתא.

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Re: Kickstarter: Shabbos App
« Reply #95 on: September 30, 2014, 11:53:31 AM »
???

Haven't you heard the news? he passed away before smart phones were invented.
Oy! BDE! when did that happen?

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Re: Kickstarter: Shabbos App
« Reply #96 on: September 30, 2014, 12:12:07 PM »
Uvdin Dechol doesn't apply to anything you decide to apply it to just because you're not used to see people doing it on shabbos. This has been discussed numerous times when new technologies  came out. Here's a list of a few that come to mind that some poskim tried assuring due to them being עובדין דחול but eventually people got used to it and today nobody thinks they are that.

Shabbos clocks
Putting gas into seltzer
Pushing a carriage where there's an eruv.

According to most poskim, in order for something to be prohibitted for being uvdin de'chol it must be one of the following two things, 1) It should be something that involves טורח גדול, such as carrying very heavy non muktza items from one house to another, exercise according to some, or 2) it should be something that there's a חשש that it can come to a מלאכה דאורייתא.
you couldn't have written it better yourself  :P

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Re: Kickstarter: Shabbos App
« Reply #97 on: September 30, 2014, 02:49:22 PM »
On the new iOS 8 you can talk to Siri when plugged in w/o pressing any buttons. You just say "hey Siri". How would that work halachicly?
Not sure how iOS works, but Android had this feature for quite a while (Ok google/Hi galaxy) and it actually types on the screen what you're saying. So that's not a good idea.
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Re: Kickstarter: Shabbos App
« Reply #98 on: September 30, 2014, 02:53:09 PM »
Uvdin Dechol doesn't apply to anything you decide to apply it to just because you're not used to see people doing it on shabbos. This has been discussed numerous times when new technologies  came out. Here's a list of a few that come to mind that some poskim tried assuring due to them being עובדין דחול but eventually people got used to it and today nobody thinks they are that.

Shabbos clocks
Putting gas into seltzer
Pushing a carriage where there's an eruv.

According to most poskim, in order for something to be prohibitted for being uvdin de'chol it must be one of the following two things, 1) It should be something that involves טורח גדול, such as carrying very heavy non muktza items from one house to another, exercise according to some, or 2) it should be something that there's a חשש that it can come to a מלאכה דאורייתא.
Shabbos elevators?
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Re: Kickstarter: Shabbos App
« Reply #99 on: September 30, 2014, 03:08:22 PM »

Uvdin Dechol doesn't apply to anything you decide to apply it to just because you're not used to see people doing it on shabbos. This has been discussed numerous times when new technologies  came out. Here's a list of a few that come to mind that some poskim tried assuring due to them being עובדין דחול but eventually people got used to it and today nobody thinks they are that.

Shabbos clocks
Putting gas into seltzer
Pushing a carriage where there's an eruv.

According to most poskim, in order for something to be prohibitted for being uvdin de'chol it must be one of the following two things, 1) It should be something that involves טורח גדול, such as carrying very heavy non muktza items from one house to another, exercise according to some, or 2) it should be something that there's a חשש that it can come to a מלאכה דאורייתא.

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Re: Kickstarter: Shabbos App
« Reply #101 on: September 30, 2014, 03:24:57 PM »
Uvdin Dechol doesn't apply to anything you decide to apply it to just because you're not used to see people doing it on shabbos. This has been discussed numerous times when new technologies  came out. Here's a list of a few that come to mind that some poskim tried assuring due to them being עובדין דחול but eventually people got used to it and today nobody thinks they are that.

Shabbos clocks
Putting gas into seltzer
Pushing a carriage where there's an eruv.

According to most poskim, in order for something to be prohibitted for being uvdin de'chol it must be one of the following two things, 1) It should be something that involves טורח גדול, such as carrying very heavy non muktza items from one house to another, exercise according to some, or 2) it should be something that there's a חשש that it can come to a מלאכה דאורייתא.
Not that I agree with this, but your point #2 should apply to phones anyway.

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Re: Kickstarter: Shabbos App
« Reply #102 on: September 30, 2014, 04:45:20 PM »
OK. All it takes it two words: Uvdin dechol. It is ossur. No ifs or buts.
There is absolutely nothing else to discuss from a halachic perspective.
I challenge anyone to find a posek who is a Ben yeshiva (not a collage grad with a degree in "halachic theory") who will not categorically dismiss this on the uvdin dechol basis.

That's a lazy answer. I may agree with you in theory but no doubt the same arguments were made by other inventions we're now okay with. There's plenty to attack in the investor's superficial and ignorant halachic "analysis". Why resort to uvda dichol arguments?

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Re: Kickstarter: Shabbos App
« Reply #103 on: September 30, 2014, 04:51:43 PM »
Not that I agree with this, but your point #2 should apply to phones anyway.
How so?

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Re: Kickstarter: Shabbos App
« Reply #104 on: September 30, 2014, 06:33:53 PM »
That's a lazy answer. I may agree with you in theory but no doubt the same arguments were made by other inventions we're now okay with. There's plenty to attack in the investor's superficial and ignorant halachic "analysis". Why resort to uvda dichol arguments?
Because it makes the whole project a non starter.