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Re: Kickstarter: Shabbos App
« Reply #80 on: September 30, 2014, 06:58:32 AM »
On the new iOS 8 you can talk to Siri when plugged in w/o pressing any buttons. You just say "hey Siri". How would that work halachicly?
Google now has had this for years..

I have a whole shtikel on it.. Can melochos be done with Kol? Is it like mechamer bekol? Etc etc.

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Re: Kickstarter: Shabbos App
« Reply #81 on: September 30, 2014, 07:17:44 AM »
On the new iOS 8 you can talk to Siri when plugged in w/o pressing any buttons. You just say "hey Siri". How would that work halachicly?
How is it different than using a microphone that was left on before shabbos?

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Re: Kickstarter: Shabbos App
« Reply #82 on: September 30, 2014, 07:38:17 AM »
How is it different than using a microphone that was left on before shabbos?
you cause lights etc

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Re: Kickstarter: Shabbos App
« Reply #83 on: September 30, 2014, 08:13:13 AM »
you cause lights etc
That just makes it worse...

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Re: Kickstarter: Shabbos App
« Reply #84 on: September 30, 2014, 09:20:18 AM »
Resident west sider here!
This address isn't really on the west side, it's downtown denver. There is only one religious jew that i am aware of that lives in that area and it isn't him. I don't know any Yossi Goldstein either plus the address given is a bank.... sorry i'm just as clueless here...
Was hoping you'd find us here :) Ohh my wife was studying so when I asked "is Broadway on the West Side?" She probably just said "uhu". I think I know the same guy who lives downtown and yeah he would not do this.

A bank address? C'mon guys this has to be a joke. Although a techie friend of mine just told me he's considering building a free version of the app to mess the guy up. Which tells me #1 the tech is possible (which I wasn't sure of) and #2 makes me question again if this is a joke.

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Re: Kickstarter: Shabbos App
« Reply #85 on: September 30, 2014, 09:28:01 AM »

A bank address? C'mon guys this has to be a joke.
1600 Broadway.

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Re: Kickstarter: Shabbos App
« Reply #86 on: September 30, 2014, 09:39:48 AM »
It's a 26 story office building. I'm assuming it's not all used by the bank...

He doesn't live there, he works there!

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Re: Kickstarter: Shabbos App
« Reply #87 on: September 30, 2014, 09:40:04 AM »
1600 Broadway.
Not what I meant lol. I meant "it's a bank address, this app has got to be a joke."

It's a 26 story office building. I'm assuming it's not all used by the bank...
But that's a valid point.

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Re: Kickstarter: Shabbos App
« Reply #88 on: September 30, 2014, 09:42:37 AM »
It's a 26 story office building. I'm assuming it's not all used by the bank...
It's the bank headquarters so not unheard of, but then again:
He doesn't live there, he works there!
Reasonable enough, banks employ programmers too...

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Re: Kickstarter: Shabbos App
« Reply #89 on: September 30, 2014, 09:54:03 AM »
It's the bank headquarters so not unheard of, but then again:Reasonable enough, banks employ programmers too...
http://www.coloradostatebankbuilding.info/main.cfm?sid=introduction&pid=about
It is not only for the bank...

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Re: Kickstarter: Shabbos App
« Reply #90 on: September 30, 2014, 11:32:35 AM »
OK. All it takes it two words: Uvdin dechol. It is ossur. No ifs or buts.
There is absolutely nothing else to discuss from a halachic perspective.
I challenge anyone to find a posek who is a Ben yeshiva (not a collage grad with a degree in "halachic theory") who will not categorically dismiss this on the uvdin dechol basis.
הגרש"ז אויערבאך to name the most notable one.

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Re: Kickstarter: Shabbos App
« Reply #91 on: September 30, 2014, 11:39:59 AM »
You're more than welcome to post what halachik issue you think he missed.
But just to post a comment without substance like this one is like being Christian without believing in Jesus.

You make no sense.
OK. All it takes it two words: Uvdin dechol. It is ossur. No ifs or buts.

thats for starters...
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Re: Kickstarter: Shabbos App
« Reply #92 on: September 30, 2014, 11:44:50 AM »
הגרש"ז אויערבאך to name the most notable one.
???

Haven't you heard the news? he passed away before smart phones were invented.

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Re: Kickstarter: Shabbos App
« Reply #93 on: September 30, 2014, 11:49:38 AM »
???

Haven't you heard the news? he passed away before smart phones were invented.
i imagine moshel is referring to his view on electricity use vis a vis the issue of uvdin dechol... And his overall view on electricity on shabbos

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Re: Kickstarter: Shabbos App
« Reply #94 on: September 30, 2014, 11:52:51 AM »
Uvdin Dechol doesn't apply to anything you decide to apply it to just because you're not used to see people doing it on shabbos. This has been discussed numerous times when new technologies  came out. Here's a list of a few that come to mind that some poskim tried assuring due to them being עובדין דחול but eventually people got used to it and today nobody thinks they are that.

Shabbos clocks
Putting gas into seltzer
Pushing a carriage where there's an eruv.

According to most poskim, in order for something to be prohibitted for being uvdin de'chol it must be one of the following two things, 1) It should be something that involves טורח גדול, such as carrying very heavy non muktza items from one house to another, exercise according to some, or 2) it should be something that there's a חשש that it can come to a מלאכה דאורייתא.

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Re: Kickstarter: Shabbos App
« Reply #95 on: September 30, 2014, 11:53:31 AM »
???

Haven't you heard the news? he passed away before smart phones were invented.
Oy! BDE! when did that happen?

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Re: Kickstarter: Shabbos App
« Reply #96 on: September 30, 2014, 12:12:07 PM »
Uvdin Dechol doesn't apply to anything you decide to apply it to just because you're not used to see people doing it on shabbos. This has been discussed numerous times when new technologies  came out. Here's a list of a few that come to mind that some poskim tried assuring due to them being עובדין דחול but eventually people got used to it and today nobody thinks they are that.

Shabbos clocks
Putting gas into seltzer
Pushing a carriage where there's an eruv.

According to most poskim, in order for something to be prohibitted for being uvdin de'chol it must be one of the following two things, 1) It should be something that involves טורח גדול, such as carrying very heavy non muktza items from one house to another, exercise according to some, or 2) it should be something that there's a חשש that it can come to a מלאכה דאורייתא.
you couldn't have written it better yourself  :P
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Re: Kickstarter: Shabbos App
« Reply #97 on: September 30, 2014, 02:49:22 PM »
On the new iOS 8 you can talk to Siri when plugged in w/o pressing any buttons. You just say "hey Siri". How would that work halachicly?
Not sure how iOS works, but Android had this feature for quite a while (Ok google/Hi galaxy) and it actually types on the screen what you're saying. So that's not a good idea.
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Re: Kickstarter: Shabbos App
« Reply #98 on: September 30, 2014, 02:53:09 PM »
Uvdin Dechol doesn't apply to anything you decide to apply it to just because you're not used to see people doing it on shabbos. This has been discussed numerous times when new technologies  came out. Here's a list of a few that come to mind that some poskim tried assuring due to them being עובדין דחול but eventually people got used to it and today nobody thinks they are that.

Shabbos clocks
Putting gas into seltzer
Pushing a carriage where there's an eruv.

According to most poskim, in order for something to be prohibitted for being uvdin de'chol it must be one of the following two things, 1) It should be something that involves טורח גדול, such as carrying very heavy non muktza items from one house to another, exercise according to some, or 2) it should be something that there's a חשש that it can come to a מלאכה דאורייתא.
Shabbos elevators?
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Re: Kickstarter: Shabbos App
« Reply #99 on: September 30, 2014, 03:08:22 PM »

Uvdin Dechol doesn't apply to anything you decide to apply it to just because you're not used to see people doing it on shabbos. This has been discussed numerous times when new technologies  came out. Here's a list of a few that come to mind that some poskim tried assuring due to them being עובדין דחול but eventually people got used to it and today nobody thinks they are that.

Shabbos clocks
Putting gas into seltzer
Pushing a carriage where there's an eruv.

According to most poskim, in order for something to be prohibitted for being uvdin de'chol it must be one of the following two things, 1) It should be something that involves טורח גדול, such as carrying very heavy non muktza items from one house to another, exercise according to some, or 2) it should be something that there's a חשש that it can come to a מלאכה דאורייתא.

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