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Why Does QF Have Better CX Award Availability Than AA/BA?
« on: September 30, 2014, 12:13:03 PM »
Sorry if repost...but does anyone have an explanation for it?


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Re: Why Does QF Have Better CX Award Availability Than AA/BA?
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2014, 12:25:59 PM »
I've seen more then once CX availability when using Asia Miles, but it was not available for BA/AA. Maybe CX releases their entire inventory to QF...

I have the same question with EK, why does JL have better availability than AS?

Maybe some airlines pay more for the awards?

Or maybe QF is showing Phantom availability?
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Re: Why Does QF Have Better CX Award Availability Than AA/BA?
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2014, 12:27:24 PM »
Why would CX "give" QF better availability?

Even had AA long sell a flight with QF availability.  Nada.

Frustrating.
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Re: Why Does QF Have Better CX Award Availability Than AA/BA?
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2014, 12:41:26 PM »
Why would CX "give" QF better availability?

Even had AA long sell a flight with QF availability.  Nada.

Frustrating.
Question is if it's truly available. How do you know it's not phantom?

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Re: Why Does QF Have Better CX Award Availability Than AA/BA?
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2014, 12:48:18 PM »
Why would CX "give" QF better availability?



Maybe some airlines pay more for the awards?

Or maybe QF is showing Phantom availability?
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Re: Why Does QF Have Better CX Award Availability Than AA/BA?
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2014, 05:22:37 PM »
Or maybe QF is showing Phantom availability?

Question is if it's truly available. How do you know it's not phantom?

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Re: Why Does QF Have Better CX Award Availability Than AA/BA?
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2014, 05:28:39 PM »
Have you guys actually heard of phantom QF awards.
I mean unless someone has QF miles I guess there's no way to know for sure.
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Re: Why Does QF Have Better CX Award Availability Than AA/BA?
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2014, 05:32:12 PM »
http://www.australianfrequentflyer.com.au/community/qantas-frequent-flyer-program/phantom-aa-award-availability-qf-58098.html

See comments here
http://travelisfree.com/2014/03/03/how-to-use-qantas-to-find-oneworld-award-space/

And
http://www.noobtraveler.com/noob-guide-searching-for-oneworld-award-availability/
 Also, while I prefer to search Qantas for Cathay Pacific space, it can show phantom availability,

And
http://milevalue.com/best-practices-for-searching-oneworld-availability/
AA.com perfectly displays space available with AA miles with no phantom space, which qantas.com and ba.com can occasionally sho
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Re: Why Does QF Have Better CX Award Availability Than AA/BA?
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2014, 06:08:10 PM »
Have you guys actually heard of phantom QF awards.
I mean unless someone has QF miles I guess there's no way to know for sure.
Yes. It was a big issue a few months back.
JAL is supposedly the most accurate program for searching CX. Unless you are close in.

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Re: Why Does QF Have Better CX Award Availability Than AA/BA?
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2014, 07:10:05 PM »
Can you search JL online?
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Re: Why Does QF Have Better CX Award Availability Than AA/BA?
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2014, 07:17:39 PM »
Can you search JL online?

Sure you can, on BA.

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Re: Why Does QF Have Better CX Award Availability Than AA/BA?
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2014, 07:33:26 PM »
Sure you can, on BA.
sorry, i meant to ask, if you can search award availability on Jal.com?
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Re: Why Does QF Have Better CX Award Availability Than AA/BA?
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2014, 07:38:32 PM »
sorry, i meant to ask, if you can search award availability on Jal.com?

Yes you can, they have a good search engine.

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Re: Why Does QF Have Better CX Award Availability Than AA/BA?
« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2014, 09:20:13 PM »
JAL is supposedly the most accurate program for searching CX. Unless you are close in.

My experience has been that JL is the most accurate for AA redemptions, followed by BA.

It's hard to trust QF when it reports seats are available but the same seats are WAITLISTED in CX's own tool.

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Re: Why Does QF Have Better CX Award Availability Than AA/BA?
« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2014, 09:21:20 PM »
Yes you can, they have a good search engine.
Which airlines do they search? Do they display EK?
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Re: Why Does QF Have Better CX Award Availability Than AA/BA?
« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2014, 09:34:18 PM »
Searching JAL in KVS is pretty neat. They showed the number of seats in each class before BA method did. Now I'm seeing those number on BA though.

JL also shows you all of the flights, even with no availability.

BA doesn't return a zero result.
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