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Re: Liberal Paradox
« Reply #60 on: February 11, 2014, 07:20:37 PM »
+1
But if life begins at conception than it should be the child's decision if he wants to live...
No one is saying we should kill (independently) living babies, the question is when does this start and, more importantly, who gets to decide that, the government or the parents.

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Re: Liberal Paradox
« Reply #61 on: February 11, 2014, 07:29:53 PM »
No one is saying we should kill (independently) living babies, the question is when does this start and, more importantly, who gets to decide that, the government or the parents.
Decide what?
They believe there's no difference between a 6 month fetus and a 6 month old baby.
Just like it's not up to the mother to take the life of the baby, so too...
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Re: Liberal Paradox
« Reply #62 on: February 11, 2014, 07:49:10 PM »
I know that's what THEY believe (FTR I believe that too (with some reservations)) but obviously not everyone believes that, now the conservatives believe that the government should enforce this belief on everyone while the liberals believe that everyone should be allowed to act out on their own beliefs. The paradox is that you would think it would be the other way around, the reason there is no paradox is because this debate is not between conservatives and liberals rather between religious and secularists.

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Re: Liberal Paradox
« Reply #63 on: February 11, 2014, 08:19:13 PM »
I know that's what THEY believe (FTR I believe that too (with some reservations)) but obviously not everyone believes that, now the conservatives believe that the government should enforce this belief on everyone

If a man believes murder is ok (Jihadists), in stoping him, am I forcing my belief onto him?

That's the way conservatives see abortion.

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Re: Liberal Paradox
« Reply #64 on: February 11, 2014, 08:24:59 PM »
If a man believes murder is ok (Jihadists), in stoping him, am I forcing my belief onto him?

That's the way conservatives see abortion.
As I explained, I understand how conservatives see it and I understand that liberals see it differently, I was just explaining why someone would see a paradox here because you would think the roles would be flipped.

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Re: Liberal Paradox
« Reply #65 on: February 11, 2014, 08:33:42 PM »
As I explained, I understand how conservatives see it and I understand that liberals see it differently, I was just explaining why someone would see a paradox here because you would think the roles would be flipped.
Understood  :)

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Re: Liberal Paradox
« Reply #66 on: February 11, 2014, 08:39:34 PM »

As I explained, I understand how conservatives see it and I understand that liberals see it differently, I was just explaining why someone would see a paradox here because you would think the roles would be flipped.
but then it's not a paradox

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Re: Liberal Paradox
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Re: Liberal Paradox
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