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Will Ebola spread in the U.S.?

No. It spreads in third-world continents like Africa, but a country like the U.S. can contain it quickly.
9 (23.1%)
Yes, And it can be just as bad as Africa.
9 (23.1%)
Yes, but it won't be as bad as Africa.
21 (53.8%)

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Re: Will Ebola spread in the U.S.?
« Reply #160 on: October 30, 2014, 07:43:21 PM »
Ok, now we're learning this. This changes things http://nypost.com/2014/10/29/cdc-admits-droplets-from-a-sneeze-could-spread-ebola/
So now are you in favor of quarantining everyone that rode on the subway with that doctor?

Wouldn't what comes out of your nose when you sneeze be considered bodily fluids?
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Re: Will Ebola spread in the U.S.?
« Reply #161 on: October 30, 2014, 07:58:49 PM »
So now are you in favor of quarantining everyone that rode on the subway with that doctor?

Wouldn't what comes out of your nose when you sneeze be considered bodily fluids?

If I say no, will that be inconsistent with wanting to quarantine the doctors and nurses coning from west africa?

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Re: Will Ebola spread in the U.S.?
« Reply #162 on: October 30, 2014, 08:07:33 PM »
If I say no, will that be inconsistent with wanting to quarantine the doctors and nurses coning from west africa?
Doctors and nurses are in daily contact with infected person's. That is totally different and is why I feel they should self quarantine.
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Re: Will Ebola spread in the U.S.?
« Reply #163 on: October 30, 2014, 08:13:44 PM »
Doctors and nurses are in daily contact with infected person's. That is totally different and is why I feel they should self quarantine.

And I go a drop further and think they should be force quarantined since we cannot trust them.

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Re: Will Ebola spread in the U.S.?
« Reply #164 on: October 30, 2014, 08:46:17 PM »
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Re: Will Ebola spread in the U.S.?
« Reply #165 on: October 30, 2014, 09:27:33 PM »
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Re: Will Ebola spread in the U.S.?
« Reply #166 on: October 30, 2014, 11:25:30 PM »
One thing being missed in the whole discussion is that dealing with the outbreak in west Africa is not just for that region. An unchecked virus spreading through that region will have grave repercussions for the rest of the world. There needs to be a happy median between being reckless and discouraging doctor's from going to west Africa
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Re: Will Ebola spread in the U.S.?
« Reply #167 on: October 30, 2014, 11:30:04 PM »
One thing being missed in the whole discussion is that dealing with the outbreak in west Africa is not just for that region. An unchecked virus spreading through that region will have grave repercussions for the rest of the world. There needs to be a happy median between being reckless and discouraging doctor's from going to west Africa

I find it hard to imagine that a doctor who is willing to go to risk his/her life to help people across the world would be discouraged by measures taken to protect their family and neighbors back home.

Here's this: Let's pay them 1000 dollars a day for the time wasted when they get back? We'll take the money out of the Obamaphones budget.

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Re: Will Ebola spread in the U.S.?
« Reply #168 on: October 31, 2014, 12:29:09 AM »
I find it hard to imagine that a doctor who is willing to go to risk his/her life to help people across the world would be discouraged by measures taken to protect their family and neighbors back home.
You are missing their point. They believe the risk does not warrant the quarantine. You can agree or disagree but let’s not question their dedication.

Let me turn the question around. Why would someone risk their life for someone that don't even know then put their own family at risk?
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Re: Will Ebola spread in the U.S.?
« Reply #169 on: October 31, 2014, 02:17:38 AM »

Let me turn the question around. Why would someone risk their life for someone that don't even know then put their own family at risk?

Because they are completely selfish and only risked their life to make themselves feel good or to make other people think they are good, but in actuality they don't care about anyone else at all.

You are missing their point. They believe the risk does not warrant the quarantine. You can agree or disagree but let’s not question their dedication.

It is obvious that the risk justifies the quarantine, since one can become symptomatic and spread the disease before realizing it, and may have even rode subways and taken ubers and played bowling during that time. Considering the 50% chance that anyone who catches it will die, and will also pass it on to other people before doing so, and the fact that the disease is not well studied and understood, it is impossible for a rational person to not think that someone who was extensively exposed should quarantine for the incubation period when travelling to a country of 300 million where it has not been spread yet.

The US tells people in Africa that it cannot be spread on a bus, but if you are sick you shouldn't ride a bus because you might spread it. The CDC tells us one day it cannot be spread by a sneeze and the next day that it can. They tell us it can't be spread by touching surfaces, but then a study showed it could live on a surface for up to 50 days. There are a lot of unknowns, and a lot of "unknown unknowns."

At the very least, even if they could possibly know there is no danger (which they cannot know, as above), they should at least acknowledge the discomfort they give their neighbors and family who are in fact afraid.  The failure to account for that alone is enough to tar them in by book as completely selfish. 

I don't just question their dedication. I think there is simply no other alternative.


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Re: Will Ebola spread in the U.S.?
« Reply #170 on: October 31, 2014, 06:10:33 AM »
Because they are completely selfish and only risked their life to make themselves feel good or to make other people think they are good, but in actuality they don't care about anyone else at all.
1 - You sure didn't beat around the bush with this answer.
2 - I can say with 100% certainty that you are wrong with your assessment.
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Re: Will Ebola spread in the U.S.?
« Reply #171 on: October 31, 2014, 07:19:12 AM »
If it was already contagious when he "rode subways and taken ubers and played bowling" so where are all the people who caught it?

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Re: Will Ebola spread in the U.S.?
« Reply #172 on: October 31, 2014, 07:20:59 AM »
If it was already contagious when he "rode subways and taken ubers and played bowling" so where are all the people who caught it?
We just got lucky.  ;)
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Re: Will Ebola spread in the U.S.?
« Reply #173 on: October 31, 2014, 07:32:48 AM »
We just got lucky.  ;)
Extremely lucky, what with all these selfish doctors and nurses running around the country and the only ones who caught it are a few nurses who took care of Ebola patients in their final stages...

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Re: Will Ebola spread in the U.S.?
« Reply #174 on: October 31, 2014, 07:37:55 AM »

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Re: Will Ebola spread in the U.S.?
« Reply #175 on: October 31, 2014, 07:41:09 AM »

Even if I won't get it can I at least hear the joke?  >:(
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Re: Will Ebola spread in the U.S.?
« Reply #176 on: October 31, 2014, 08:07:40 AM »
Even if I won't get it can I at least hear the joke?  >:(
You sure you wanna get it? It has a 50% chance of killing you... :P

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Re: Will Ebola spread in the U.S.?
« Reply #177 on: October 31, 2014, 09:30:27 AM »
For some reason the journalists chasing the biking nurse in Maine didn't seem too worried about catching Ebola...

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Re: Will Ebola spread in the U.S.?
« Reply #178 on: October 31, 2014, 09:32:29 AM »
For some reason the journalists chasing the biking nurse in Maine didn't seem too worried about catching Ebola...
Journalists don't care much about danger. Think gaza,Syria,Iraq

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Re: Will Ebola spread in the U.S.?
« Reply #179 on: October 31, 2014, 10:50:55 AM »
2 - I can say with 100% certainty that you are wrong with your assessment.
Care to elaborate?