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DDMS: The Best Cards From Barclays Bank

-The Lufthansa Premier Miles & More World MasterCard
You can enroll in the Miles & More program here.

US to Israel: For departures from the USA nonstop to Tel Aviv: 80K coach, 135K business. For departures from the USA to Tel Aviv via Europe: 100K coach, 185K business, 290K first. For departures from Israel to the USA nonstop or via Europe for Miles & More accounts with an Israeli address on file: 60K coach, 105K business, 170K first.

The card has no foreign exchange fees.
Lufthansa miles have a few sweet uses:

3 one-way domestic first class flights on United:
You can fly on Star Alliance partner United in domestic first class for just 17,000 miles each way with no fuel surcharges.  All United flights between JFK and Los Angeles or S. Francisco and several flights from Newark have lie-flat seats in business class.  Plus you can still order hot kosher meals between JFK and Los Angeles or S. Francisco in business class.  United charges 25,000 of their own miles each way for these seats, so you’ll save 8,000 miles each way via Lufthansa. Within 24 hours Lufthansa does allow free cancellations even on United medal.

Remember to book one-way flights as a round-trip business class is 35,000 but they charge half the price and round down for one-way so it’s only 17,000 each way.

4 one-way coach tickets:
A one-way coach ticket within the US on United will run 12,000 miles.

Business class to Europe:

Business class to Europe is 52,000 miles each way and there are no fuel surcharges on Lot Polish which flies 787s with an excellent lie-flat business class to Warsaw. (Note that United.com can’t search for LOT Polish flights if you use that to search for Star Alliance awards).
Availability is excellent.

Hawaii:

Business class to Hawaii (including lie-flat seats on flights from Houston and Newark) is just 35,000 miles each way when booked with Lufthansa miles flying on United with no fuel surcharges.  That’s a 10,000 mile savings on a round-trip flight compared to using United miles.
Coach is 20K miles each way, a 5,000 mile savings on a round-trip flight compared to using United miles.

Israel based account:
If your Lufthansa account is registered with an Israeli address then you can book tickets from Israel using the much cheaper Europe award rates.  A flight from Israel to the US will be prices like a flight from Europe to the US. (now must call to get this rate)

Other uses:
Lufthansa First Class has significantly better availability when booked with Miles & More as opposed to programs like United.
There is also much better availability on other airlines like Singapore’s top-notch business class when booked via Miles & More as opposed to programs like United.
Barclays cards can be churned, so you can always start saving up for a dream trip.

Mileage Expiration
Miles expire after 36 months, regardless of activity. If you have a Miles & More credit card and use it monthly, then your miles will not expire.
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Re: Miles and more
« Reply #80 on: August 10, 2015, 02:00:42 AM »

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Re: Miles and more
« Reply #81 on: August 10, 2015, 12:01:34 PM »
1. LX F isn't bookable with anyone unless you have status.
2. M&M is LX miles
That's why the last time I flew In J on LX the F was empty.   

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Re: Miles and more
« Reply #82 on: August 19, 2015, 08:19:51 PM »
From what I've read, there's no way to use Miles and More points to fly from the U.S. to Israel (or even to Europe) without paying exorbitant fuel surcharges. Is this correct? I was thinking of applying for Barclay's Miles and More CC now that they've brought back the 50K bonus.

So i did get the card and have the miles. Starting to look into using them. Is there no sweet spot for these miles usa-tlv?

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Re: Miles and more
« Reply #83 on: August 20, 2015, 12:46:54 AM »
So i did get the card and have the miles. Starting to look into using them. Is there no sweet spot for these miles usa-tlv?
The sweet spot for TLV is the opposite way, TLV-ZRH-NYC for 52.5k + YQ with amazing availability.

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Re: Miles and more
« Reply #84 on: August 20, 2015, 12:49:39 AM »
The sweet spot for TLV is the opposite way, TLV-ZRH-NYC for 52.5k + YQ with amazing availability.
Approx how much is the YQ on LX?

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Re: Miles and more
« Reply #85 on: August 20, 2015, 12:52:41 AM »
Approx how much is the YQ on LX?
~$300

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Re: Miles and more
« Reply #86 on: August 20, 2015, 06:51:34 AM »

The sweet spot for TLV is the opposite way, TLV-ZRH-NYC for 52.5k + YQ with amazing availability.
Would the same price be the same to LAX?

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Re: Miles and more
« Reply #87 on: August 20, 2015, 06:56:37 AM »
Would the same price be the same to LAX?
Yes

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Re: Miles and more
« Reply #88 on: August 20, 2015, 07:02:00 AM »
The sweet spot for TLV is the opposite way, TLV-ZRH-NYC for 52.5k + YQ with amazing availability.

Thanks.
Does the price depend if you live in israel?

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Re: Miles and more
« Reply #89 on: August 20, 2015, 07:06:18 AM »
Thanks.
Does the price depend if you live in israel?
You need an Israeli address to make it 52.5k.

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Re: Miles and more
« Reply #90 on: August 20, 2015, 01:26:43 PM »
You need an Israeli address to make it 52.5k.
52.5?

Isn't it 52k?

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Re: Miles and more
« Reply #91 on: August 20, 2015, 02:13:35 PM »
52.5?

Isn't it 52k?
You are correct (not sure where I got the 52.5k from). And YQ on LX is $246.75.

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Re: Miles and more
« Reply #92 on: August 20, 2015, 02:58:45 PM »
You are correct (not sure where I got the 52.5k from). And YQ on LX is $246.75.
It's actually 105k RT on the award chart. I guess they just round it down.

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Re: Miles and more
« Reply #93 on: August 20, 2015, 02:59:20 PM »
It's actually 105k RT on the award chart. I guess they just round it down.
Thanks

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Re: Miles and more
« Reply #94 on: October 02, 2015, 01:06:11 PM »
ta booked from my m&m account a ticket for 105k m&m i see that it was refunded 9 days later
plus 2 x 52k m&m from tickets that was never ticketed from my account , any info on how this works?

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Re: Miles and more
« Reply #95 on: October 02, 2015, 01:09:03 PM »
ta booked from my m&m account a ticket for 105k m&m i see that it was refunded 9 days later
plus 2 x 52k m&m from tickets that was never ticketed from my account , any info on how this works?
Why don't you contact the TA or broker and find out?

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Re: Miles and more
« Reply #96 on: October 02, 2015, 01:19:27 PM »
Why don't you contact the TA or broker and find out?

because if its a mistake from m&m i want to earn the 104k bonus don't want ta to claim the rest 104k if Lufthansa made a mistake

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Re: Miles and more
« Reply #97 on: October 02, 2015, 01:23:08 PM »
because if its a mistake from m&m i want to earn the 104k bonus don't want ta to claim the rest 104k if Lufthansa made a mistake
The TA is entitled to whatever he bought, nothing more. If they made a mistake and credited you extra, they're yours.

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Re: Miles and more
« Reply #98 on: October 02, 2015, 01:25:15 PM »
yes but he might claim that's from his other tickets he booked on a diff account etc.

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Re: Miles and more
« Reply #99 on: October 03, 2015, 09:13:34 PM »
ta booked from my m&m account a ticket for 105k m&m i see that it was refunded 9 days later
plus 2 x 52k m&m from tickets that was never ticketed from my account , any info on how this works?
I get that they refunded 105K Miles, but what's the story with 2 x 52k? What exactly happened?
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