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Lufthansa may have possibly (unintentionally) served Treif!
« on: October 27, 2014, 09:30:14 PM »
Can anyone confirm that the food catered on Lufthansa flights were possibly non-kosher?

The question is, I will be flying Lufthansa next week, has there be any changes?

There must be some more info about this.

" the only kosher restaurant that operates in Frankfurt which markets food to Lufthansa, was also among the stores which purchased meat from time to time from the problematic store, and the haredi passengers in Lufthansa refuse to eat the food that comes from the restaurant and catering in Frankfurt"


http://www.bhol.co.il/article_en.aspx?id=74902

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Re: Lufthansa may have possibly (unintentionally) served Treif!
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2014, 09:32:31 PM »

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Re: Lufthansa may have possibly (unintentionally) served Treif!
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2014, 09:39:13 PM »
Repost
I need more info, the post from earlier today is out of sight , I decided to open a new thread

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Re: Lufthansa may have possibly (unintentionally) served Treif!
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2014, 09:43:55 PM »
Can anyone confirm that the food catered on Lufthansa flights were possibly non-kosher?

The question is, I will be flying Lufthansa next week, has there be any changes?

There must be some more info about this.

" the only kosher restaurant that operates in Frankfurt which markets food to Lufthansa, was also among the stores which purchased meat from time to time from the problematic store, and the haredi passengers in Lufthansa refuse to eat the food that comes from the restaurant and catering in Frankfurt"


http://www.bhol.co.il/article_en.aspx?id=74902


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Re: Lufthansa may have possibly (unintentionally) served Treif!
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2014, 09:50:17 PM »
Also, when I flew LH, they gave us food that had a hechsher from Switzerland IIRC, so it probably depends on the day.

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Re: Lufthansa may have possibly (unintentionally) served Treif!
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2014, 10:05:30 PM »
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Re: Lufthansa may have possibly (unintentionally) served Treif!
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2014, 10:08:07 PM »
Ask Your Local Old Rabbi
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that would be for non orthodox.
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Re: Lufthansa may have possibly (unintentionally) served Treif!
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2014, 11:27:08 PM »
@Yehuda LH never serves a meal from Switzerland ( unless it was on your return to Germany, maybe).

According to the ksav hechsher from Zoar on their wall in the restaurant from the Chassidishe  rav rabbi Klein it says that the meat comes from Switzerland.

My question is if BHOL is just stirring the pot or there is truth to it. Rabbi Klein should be able to answer this.

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Re: Lufthansa may have possibly (unintentionally) served Treif!
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2014, 11:56:32 PM »
I read this in other websites last week (arutz sheva IIRC). This is a real story. Sounds even worse than the monsey scandal
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Re: Lufthansa may have possibly (unintentionally) served Treif!
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2014, 02:51:05 AM »
 The Rabbi also said: "All those who ask if they need to kasher the utensils, the instruction is negative."

Why?

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Re: Lufthansa may have possibly (unintentionally) served Treif!
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2014, 03:57:35 AM »
The Rabbi also said: "All those who ask if they need to kasher the utensils, the instruction is negative."

Why?

I don't remember the exact details, but by the LA meat scandal, the psak was the same. There's some kind of halachic explanation for it that I don't recall offhand, possibly involving kol d'parish mei'ruba parish or similar.

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Re: Lufthansa may have possibly (unintentionally) served Treif!
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2014, 06:19:45 AM »
@Yehuda LH never serves a meal from Switzerland ( unless it was on your return to Germany, maybe).

According to the ksav hechsher from Zoar on their wall in the restaurant from the Chassidishe  rav rabbi Klein it says that the meat comes from Switzerland.
Ah, that could be where I saw "Switzerland".

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Re: Lufthansa may have possibly (unintentionally) served Treif!
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2014, 10:00:12 PM »
According to this http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Frankfurt-kosher-butchers-accused-of-selling-unkosher-meat-379243
Non kosher meat was only sold between 2010 and 2012 , is that true? Does anyone have any more info regarding this scandal?

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Re: Lufthansa may have possibly (unintentionally) served Treif!
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2014, 03:46:21 AM »
I don't remember the exact details, but by the LA meat scandal, the psak was the same. There's some kind of halachic explanation for it that I don't recall offhand, possibly involving kol d'parish mei'ruba parish or similar.
in la i dont believe the concern was that he was introducing actual treif. what was the psak in the monsey/finkel case?

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Re: Lufthansa may have possibly (unintentionally) served Treif!
« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2014, 01:10:21 PM »
Anyone have an update?
Can I eat Lh Food?

I don't understand, why is there no follow up story?

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Re: Lufthansa may have possibly (unintentionally) served Treif!
« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2014, 01:27:40 PM »
Anyone have an update?
Can I eat Lh Food?

I don't understand, why is there no follow up story?
Whats your question? If they are still serving Treif?

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Re: Lufthansa may have possibly (unintentionally) served Treif!
« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2014, 02:06:02 PM »
Whats your question? If they are still serving Treif?
No, but if they served.

And I have yet to hear a statement by the Rov, Rabbi Klein, Who gave the hechsher. He skipped the court case even though he was summoned, I want to know if he's still trustable. 

This is last update: certification, did not appear in cout, though summoned. 

Local media who published the case extensively asked the rabbi's response, but he claimed by reason of the law he has a privilege and does not have to appear in court. 

The testimony of the butcher along with the absence of the Rabbi at the hearing, provoked anger in the community: "People were perplexed, they did not know if they need to kasher their utensils and what to kasher and how, the only kosher restaurant that operates in Frankfurt which markets food to Lufthansa, was also among the stores which purchased meat from time to time from the problematic store, and the haredi passengers in Lufthansa refuse to eat the food that comes from the restaurant and catering in Frankfurt. 

Rabbi Klein also declined to comment to Behadrey Haredim and said that he will respond in the coming days when the judge will announce his decision on the matter. The Rabbi also said: "All those who ask if they need to kasher the utensils, the instruction is negative."

No one seems to know anything more, which is wreird. It just completely Hushed

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Re: Lufthansa may have possibly (unintentionally) served Treif!
« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2014, 05:33:03 PM »
No, but if they served.

And I have yet to hear a statement by the Rov, Rabbi Klein, Who gave the hechsher. He skipped the court case even though he was summoned, I want to know if he's still trustable. 

This is last update: certification, did not appear in cout, though summoned.

Local media who published the case extensively asked the rabbi's response, but he claimed by reason of the law he has a privilege and does not have to appear in court.

The testimony of the butcher along with the absence of the Rabbi at the hearing, provoked anger in the community: "People were perplexed, they did not know if they need to kasher their utensils and what to kasher and how, the only kosher restaurant that operates in Frankfurt which markets food to Lufthansa, was also among the stores which purchased meat from time to time from the problematic store, and the haredi passengers in Lufthansa refuse to eat the food that comes from the restaurant and catering in Frankfurt.

Rabbi Klein also declined to comment to Behadrey Haredim and said that he will respond in the coming days when the judge will announce his decision on the matter. The Rabbi also said: "All those who ask if they need to kasher the utensils, the instruction is negative."

No one seems to know anything more, which is wreird. It just completely Hushed
I agree, I dont understand why there isnt more of a fuss going on?,

I also recently flew LH ex FRA & would like some answers

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Re: Lufthansa may have possibly (unintentionally) served Treif!
« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2014, 06:01:59 PM »
I don't understand why this is LH's fault?
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