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Re: Kollel Budgeting
« Reply #180 on: November 02, 2014, 04:50:35 AM »
For shabbos there is no budget, all the money spent on Shabbos is paid back to you.

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Re: Kollel Budgeting
« Reply #181 on: November 02, 2014, 07:46:19 AM »
And waste tons of time and effort... time is money, and effort expended making kugel means less strength for taking care of the children.
Tip for life - make your wife's life easier, and give your children a great mother.

It's also not a crime to help her with cooking.

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Re: Kollel Budgeting
« Reply #182 on: November 02, 2014, 09:10:13 AM »
It's also not a crime to help her with cooking.
My cooking is a crime (it's that bad)  ;D

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Re: Kollel Budgeting
« Reply #183 on: November 02, 2014, 09:13:07 AM »
For shabbos there is no budget, all the money spent on Shabbos is paid back to you.
This point has already been discussed upthread.
It probably does not mean you can buy a thousand dollar bottle of wine.
It for sure does mean you can buy Kedem grape juice.
The question is, what  exactly is the line?

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Re: Kollel Budgeting
« Reply #184 on: November 02, 2014, 11:35:26 AM »
This point has already been discussed upthread.
It probably does not mean you can buy a thousand dollar bottle of wine.
It for sure does mean you can buy Kedem grape juice.
The question is, what  exactly is the line?
Probably different for everyone.
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Re: Kollel Budgeting
« Reply #185 on: November 02, 2014, 11:47:13 AM »
This point has already been discussed upthread.
It probably does not mean you can buy a thousand dollar bottle of wine.
It for sure does mean you can buy Kedem grape juice.
The question is, what  exactly is the line?
I imagine it depends on your belief, blnd I'll look it up later today to see what the MB says

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Re: Kollel Budgeting
« Reply #186 on: November 02, 2014, 12:13:12 PM »
I imagine it depends on your belief, blnd I'll look it up later today to see what the MB says
Iirc he's not going to help answer this question he just quotes the gemara

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Re: Kollel Budgeting
« Reply #187 on: November 02, 2014, 12:14:59 PM »
Iirc he's not going to help answer this question he just quotes the gemara
The mechaber is pretty set on it

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Re: Kollel Budgeting
« Reply #188 on: November 02, 2014, 02:06:05 PM »
It's also not a crime to help her with cooking.
+1
My cooking is a crime (it's that bad)  ;D

there are other ways to 'help with the cooking' that don't involve that. YMMV
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Re: Kollel Budgeting
« Reply #189 on: November 02, 2014, 11:16:59 PM »
+1
there are other ways to 'help with the cooking' that don't involve that. YMMV
There are many ways to help. There's only one way to help cooking. And I'm bad at cooking.

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Re: Kollel Budgeting
« Reply #190 on: November 02, 2014, 11:24:17 PM »
There are many ways to help. There's only one way to help cooking. And I'm bad at cooking.
Not looking to argue, just to make some suggestions:
peel vegetables? wash dishes? put away clean dishes? shlep groceries?
For all I know you do most/all of those already :)
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Re: Kollel Budgeting
« Reply #191 on: November 03, 2014, 12:08:01 AM »
Not looking to argue, just to make some suggestions:
peel vegetables? wash dishes? put away clean dishes? shlep groceries?
For all I know you do most/all of those already :)
My wife doesn't trust me with the dishes, (Lucky me). But I do help around the house. Like I said earlier, if you make your wife's life easier - you give your children a great energetic patient mother, it's a great investment IMO.
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Re: Kollel Budgeting
« Reply #192 on: November 03, 2014, 01:50:06 AM »
Many Rabbonim hold if you're in kollel you need not give Maaser.

Ok. There are Rabbonim that hold that you only have to give massir after personal expenses. Since massir is on profit and profit is after expenses.

OP said they are not getting supported.

Masser is a Minhag

The one above takes care of everyone.

How do the first comments jive with the last?

I don't want to get involved in the whole maaser is a minhag, maaser is a chiyuv, maaser ksafim is derobanan, deoraisa, etc.

Hashem provides for all of our needs, one of which is a parnassah. He gives us money: some for us, some for others. The way we handle the money which is entrusted to us for the benefit of others is a barometer by which Hashem decides (or not) to entrust further monies to our care.

Should a person, chas v'shalom, mismanage that money the Wealthy Benefactor may find another money manager.

In my very humble opinion, saying "well, I make $x.00 a week/month, and my expenses, are $x.00 a week, too, so I am absolved from maaser," even if there is a yesh lismoch, is foolish.

How many of us truly have no room in our budget for maaser? How many could cut a starbucks coffee from the daily ritual, or not have two side-dishes with dinner, or maybe just drink water for a week instead of soda? Sure there may be some, but I imagine they're in the very small minority, thank Gd, and it is those the rest of are tasked to assist with maaser, not run away from.
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Re: Kollel Budgeting
« Reply #193 on: November 03, 2014, 02:16:19 AM »
How do the first comments jive with the last?

I don't want to get involved in the whole maaser is a minhag, maaser is a chiyuv, maaser ksafim is derobanan, deoraisa, etc.

Hashem provides for all of our needs, one of which is a parnassah. He gives us money: some for us, some for others. The way we handle the money which is entrusted to us for the benefit of others is a barometer by which Hashem decides (or not) to entrust further monies to our care.

Should a person, chas v'shalom, mismanage that money the Wealthy Benefactor may find another money manager.

In my very humble opinion, saying "well, I make $x.00 a week/month, and my expenses, are $x.00 a week, too, so I am absolved from maaser," even if there is a yesh lismoch, is foolish.

How many of us truly have no room in our budget for maaser? How many could cut a starbucks coffee from the daily ritual, or not have two side-dishes with dinner, or maybe just drink water for a week instead of soda? Sure there may be some, but I imagine they're in the very small minority, thank Gd, and it is those the rest of are tasked to assist with maaser, not run away from.

Well said.

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Re: Kollel Budgeting
« Reply #194 on: November 03, 2014, 09:05:56 AM »
How do the first comments jive with the last?

I don't want to get involved in the whole maaser is a minhag, maaser is a chiyuv, maaser ksafim is derobanan, deoraisa, etc.

Hashem provides for all of our needs, one of which is a parnassah. He gives us money: some for us, some for others. The way we handle the money which is entrusted to us for the benefit of others is a barometer by which Hashem decides (or not) to entrust further monies to our care.

Should a person, chas v'shalom, mismanage that money the Wealthy Benefactor may find another money manager.

In my very humble opinion, saying "well, I make $x.00 a week/month, and my expenses, are $x.00 a week, too, so I am absolved from maaser," even if there is a yesh lismoch, is foolish.

How many of us truly have no room in our budget for maaser? How many could cut a starbucks coffee from the daily ritual, or not have two side-dishes with dinner, or maybe just drink water for a week instead of soda? Sure there may be some, but I imagine they're in the very small minority, thank Gd, and it is those the rest of are tasked to assist with maaser, not run away from.
100% I totally agree, I was saying if a guy is really desperate and has a very tight budget there is room to patur him from maaser. Each person will make their own decision.

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Re: Kollel Budgeting
« Reply #195 on: November 03, 2014, 09:14:27 AM »
How do the first comments jive with the last?

I don't want to get involved in the whole maaser is a minhag, maaser is a chiyuv, maaser ksafim is derobanan, deoraisa, etc.

Hashem provides for all of our needs, one of which is a parnassah. He gives us money: some for us, some for others. The way we handle the money which is entrusted to us for the benefit of others is a barometer by which Hashem decides (or not) to entrust further monies to our care.

Should a person, chas v'shalom, mismanage that money the Wealthy Benefactor may find another money manager.

In my very humble opinion, saying "well, I make $x.00 a week/month, and my expenses, are $x.00 a week, too, so I am absolved from maaser," even if there is a yesh lismoch, is foolish.

How many of us truly have no room in our budget for maaser? How many could cut a starbucks coffee from the daily ritual, or not have two side-dishes with dinner, or maybe just drink water for a week instead of soda? Sure there may be some, but I imagine they're in the very small minority, thank Gd, and it is those the rest of are tasked to assist with maaser, not run away from.
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Re: Kollel Budgeting
« Reply #196 on: November 03, 2014, 10:06:14 AM »
100% I totally agree, I was saying if a guy is really desperate and has a very tight budget there is room to patur him from maaser. Each person will make their own decision get a psak from their LOR.
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Re: Kollel Budgeting
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Re: Kollel Budgeting
« Reply #198 on: November 03, 2014, 10:49:28 AM »
FTFY

I'm pretty sure he had it right the first time. Each person will make their own decision. Some might decide to ask their LOR.
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Re: Kollel Budgeting
« Reply #199 on: November 03, 2014, 11:40:02 AM »
shabbos on a budget:

2.50 half bottle grape juice
5.00 fish roll
5.00 cold cuts
5.00 challah home made or buy a pack of challah rolls
4.00 2pcs chicken
1.00 chicken bones for soup
5.00 half pack of meat for chulent
2.50 misc cake cookies (a muffin costs 1.19)
10.00 for other ing including
rice
couscous
zuchinni
potato
beans
onion
tomato
cucumber
chulent beans
barley
pepper
garlic
celley
scallion

that's $40. and very doable and enjoyable.