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Re: Kosher Caviar
« Reply #40 on: November 10, 2014, 11:31:53 PM »
According to this article, the OU in conjunction with the American Museum of Natural History found anisakis in salmon roe. It seems though that the OU's position is that in general anisakis doesn't present much of a problem to begin with.

On the other hand, before I went to Alaska I corresponded with the Star-K about anisakis and their recommendation was to stay away.
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Re: Kosher Caviar
« Reply #41 on: November 10, 2014, 11:35:51 PM »
This paper from the Journal of Parasitology also seems to agree that anisakis is found in both the meat and roe:

http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.1645/GE-2994.1?journalCode=para (Abstract)

http://www.academia.edu/1783852/DNA_barcoding_of_parasitic_nematodes_Is_it_kosher (Paper download)
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Re: Kosher Caviar
« Reply #42 on: November 10, 2014, 11:35:58 PM »
Well that'll make you think twice before eating raw sushi...
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Re: Kosher Caviar
« Reply #43 on: November 10, 2014, 11:40:17 PM »
Well that'll make you think twice before eating raw sushi...

Raw? What's that got to do with anything?

You'd eat these worms provided they were cooked?
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Re: Kosher Caviar
« Reply #44 on: November 10, 2014, 11:42:27 PM »
Well that'll make you think twice before eating raw sushi...
most fish used in kosher sushi would not have it since it is only in wild saltwater fishes and they usually use famed salmon. The tuna they use doesn't have it in that part of the fish. If it has it that would be quite unsafe since the live worm can cause serious health issues. There are regulations to prevent it.
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Re: Kosher Caviar
« Reply #45 on: November 10, 2014, 11:42:53 PM »
Raw? What's that got to do with anything?

You'd eat these worms provided they were cooked?

From a health standpoint they're fine if cooked. Kashrus, not so much.

I'd imagine though that most kosher sushi places use only farm-raised salmon, which don't have this issue at all.
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Re: Kosher Caviar
« Reply #46 on: November 10, 2014, 11:42:57 PM »
Raw? What's that got to do with anything?

You'd eat these worms provided they were cooked?
Raw and they live inside you as a parasite, do some more google searching...
If I were at Chabad of ANC though, I'd eat their cooked salmon.
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Re: Kosher Caviar
« Reply #47 on: November 10, 2014, 11:43:25 PM »
Raw? What's that got to do with anything?

You'd eat these worms provided they were cooked?
as long as they are safe I would eat them as long as I don't know about it.
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Re: Kosher Caviar
« Reply #48 on: November 10, 2014, 11:45:36 PM »
From a health standpoint they're fine if cooked. Kashrus, not so much.

I'd imagine though that most kosher sushi places use only farm-raised salmon, which don't have this issue at all.

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Those can have it. So if you are machmir don't buy it. General rule is that if it swims in the open ocean it will have it. The ou and ok are makil. In rav shternbuch's new volume of tshuvos he writes that this is the minhag in chutz laaretz. : jumps under table to not get hit by thrown tomatoes:
rabbi Heineman also is lenient. The star k is careful for different reasons.
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Re: Kosher Caviar
« Reply #49 on: November 10, 2014, 11:46:21 PM »
Raw and they live inside you as a parasite, do some more google searching...
If I were at Chabad of ANC though, I'd eat their cooked salmon.

Here's what happened about the fish. I contacted Rabbi Greenberg who sent us this email from Rabbi Levi Feigelstock of the BCK Kosher in Vancouver Canada:

From Rabbi Feigelstock: "All Major Hechsheririm OU, BCK, Hisachdus, Volver, MK don't feel it's a shaila. We all eat salmon here. It is not only salmon that has this issue."

We weren't sure what to do so my wife asked a Rabbi from Brooklyn who advised us not to eat the wild salmon.

So we didn't. But there was plenty of other food to eat. We definitely did not go hungry. The Greenbergs were wonderful hosts and made us feel very welcome. They also had delicious food!

Subsequently, I emailed the cRc about the shaila and they responded: "The cRc has no halachic concern about those worms."

I guess you can take your pick.  :)

Here is an article on the subject: http://www.star-k.org/kashrus/kk-OpeningACanOfWorms.htm
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Re: Kosher Caviar
« Reply #50 on: November 10, 2014, 11:47:03 PM »
The star k is careful for different reasons.

Such as?

This is what I got from them re. fishing in Alaska:

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We are not recommending wild salmon due to the anisakis. Perhaps in that area there aren’t anisakis, you’d have to research to determine.
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Re: Kosher Caviar
« Reply #51 on: November 10, 2014, 11:50:08 PM »
Such as?

This is what I got from them re. fishing in Alaska:
ask rabbi h.
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Re: Kosher Caviar
« Reply #52 on: November 11, 2014, 12:07:14 AM »
According to this article, the OU in conjunction with the American Museum of Natural History found anisakis in salmon roe. It seems though that the OU's position is that in general anisakis doesn't present much of a problem to begin with.

On the other hand, before I went to Alaska I corresponded with the Star-K about anisakis and their recommendation was to stay away.

Yup, it seems that anisakis are found in roe as well.

But, that article definitely makes it seem that the OUs position on anisakis is that it is not problematic.

I mean, if it were, how could we eat any wild fish?

Which bring me to my next question:

Do I need to be concerned about these invisible parasites every time I go fishing in salt-water?
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Re: Kosher Caviar
« Reply #53 on: November 11, 2014, 12:15:57 AM »

Do I need to be concerned about these invisible parasites every time I go fishing in salt-water?
YES
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Re: Kosher Caviar
« Reply #54 on: November 11, 2014, 12:19:23 AM »
Yup, it seems that anisakis are found in roe as well.

But, that article definitely makes it seem that the OUs position on anisakis is that it is not problematic.
iinm The article does not mention salmon roe, only capelin.
That is absolutely their position
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Re: Kosher Caviar
« Reply #55 on: November 11, 2014, 12:34:49 AM »
YES

So what are you saying, that I cannot eat the "kosher" fish I catch?

Under what circumstances would there be an issue, and under what would there not be?
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Re: Kosher Caviar
« Reply #56 on: November 11, 2014, 12:36:59 AM »
So what are you saying, that I cannot eat the "kosher" fish I catch?
Where did he say that?
Kashrus-wise it's not an issue according to just about everyone.

Health-wise, just make sure you don't make sushi from it.
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Re: Kosher Caviar
« Reply #57 on: November 11, 2014, 12:39:27 AM »
But what about non-anisakis parasites?

Do I need to be kashrus-concerned about those in the wild fish I catch?
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Re: Kosher Caviar
« Reply #58 on: November 11, 2014, 01:03:45 AM »
Kashrus-wise it's not an issue according to just about everyone.
In Chu"L. Many poskim in the holy land are machmir on this issue
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Re: Kosher Caviar
« Reply #59 on: November 11, 2014, 02:12:17 AM »
The eggs inside are what they call Cavier (Royk in yiddish)
After cooking it turns orange.
roe in english. i have it pretty much every shabbos