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Re: Kosher Caviar
« Reply #75 on: November 11, 2014, 10:30:52 AM »
OK, its getting OT and you've clearly taken a side...
Not going to get involved in debating the actual sheila here.
 But let's leave off that I strongly disagree with your conspiracy theories.
How is your's any less of a conspiracy?

Besides, this would hardly be the first time that groups of Jews in different areas were noheg based on conflicting psakim.
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Re: Kosher Caviar
« Reply #76 on: November 11, 2014, 11:29:38 AM »
did r dovid feinstein or r shlomo miller take a stand either way? i dont recall so

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Re: Kosher Caviar
« Reply #78 on: November 11, 2014, 12:13:54 PM »

Ossur


http://matzav.com/letter-from-rav-shlomo-miller-regarding-bugs-in-fish


I don't see anywhere that he said "ossur."

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Behold, in my opinion, with respect to salmon called ‘wild salmon,’ it is good to be stringent in this regard and grind the fish prior to eating it, and one who is stringent and does so should be blessed, but those who are lenient and rely on those who permit it have who to rely upon.
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Re: Kosher Caviar
« Reply #79 on: November 11, 2014, 12:41:23 PM »

Was this one photo shopped also?

http://www.vosizneias.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/aks2.jpg
I have no reason to believe so, but you should note that R Dovid does not state his personal opinion on the matter.

Btw, you sound like you have previous knowledge of what was edited. Do you?
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Re: Kosher Caviar
« Reply #80 on: November 11, 2014, 01:01:42 PM »
I don't see anywhere that he said "ossur."
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Re: Kosher Caviar
« Reply #81 on: November 11, 2014, 02:44:55 PM »
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So, motzi shem rah and reading comprehension issues. Sure having a day
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Re: Kosher Caviar
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Re: Kosher Caviar
« Reply #83 on: November 11, 2014, 04:17:05 PM »
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Re: Kosher Caviar
« Reply #84 on: December 07, 2014, 04:22:09 PM »
If anyone is interested I saw this black Caviar last night in Kosher West in Lakewood. I would imagine it can be found elsewhere as well.

As an aside, for the record, CBC did not take me up on my upthread offer.
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Re: Kosher Caviar
« Reply #85 on: December 07, 2014, 07:34:20 PM »
Seems like a very good price for that...
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Re: Kosher Caviar
« Reply #86 on: December 08, 2014, 07:16:31 AM »
I don't believe rav belsky considers the pesak of gedoley haposkim in EY as "binding halach". So for him he is not trumping " halach". It never is...


Back to the fish, I suggest you actually read some of these kuntrisim, you will find that there is very little debate about the facts.
There are questions how to how to interpret these facts, and obviously machlokesim in halacha.
The gedoley haposkim all asser, and to dismiss them as "uninformed" on a sheila that has been debated and discussed extensively throughout the world, is very wrong.
I just saw this discussion. Not only have I read all the kuntraissim with all the back and forth bashing, I also spent a lot of time on those se'ifim in so man 84, the psak lehaiteira is pretty straight forward on the other hand the the psak lechumra is left with several options. 
1. Chazal made a mistake in the concept of spontaneous generation and therefore the worms in the flesh were always assur (this is the approach that R' Tendler takes which is quite unpopular as one can imagine.
2. Nishtana hateva . The worms that chazal were matir are not the Anasakis that we find to day (how can one  prove nishtana hateva?
3. Some sort of Safek issur based on the above
4. They're muttar and the geder of chazal's understanding of minei gadli, was as it appeared to the eye with external scientific knowledge .
Using your g-d given right of stupidity is an option, not a requirement. Please use sparingly.

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Re: Kosher Caviar
« Reply #87 on: December 08, 2014, 11:05:42 AM »
I just saw this discussion. Not only have I read all the kuntraissim with all the back and forth bashing, I also spent a lot of time on those se'ifim in so man 84, the psak lehaiteira is pretty straight forward on the other hand the the psak lechumra is left with several options. 
1. Chazal made a mistake in the concept of spontaneous generation and therefore the worms in the flesh were always assur (this is the approach that R' Tendler takes which is quite unpopular as one can imagine.
2. Nishtana hateva . The worms that chazal were matir are not the Anasakis that we find to day (how can one  prove nishtana hateva?
3. Some sort of Safek issur based on the above
4. They're muttar and the geder of chazal's understanding of minei gadli, was as it appeared to the eye with external scientific knowledge .
+.9999999

There are numerous issues with saying nishtanu hativim here
  • Where are the ones that DO fit with chazal? and therefore:
  • All worms that were minei gavli stopped doing so
  • Numerous individual worms which are not minei gavli all started being found in the flesh.
  • It is quite clear that the current metzius was commonly found for at least 250 years including in areas where many gedolei achronim lived and they still ate fish which were clearly affected.
I would change number to be a bit more vague since there are other ways to say that minei gadli is not literal as well. Also, within the explanation that of invisibility it can be that it is literally minei gavli.
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Re: Kosher Caviar
« Reply #88 on: January 05, 2021, 12:50:24 AM »
This footage of a Kamchatka brown bear enjoying salmon caviar, from BBC's newly released Prefect Planet, has piqued my curiosity whether salmon caviar is an available kosher dish, and of course you can find just about anything on DDF :)



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Re: Kosher Caviar
« Reply #89 on: January 05, 2021, 11:55:10 AM »
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