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Re: Kosher Caviar
« Reply #60 on: November 11, 2014, 06:49:50 AM »
But what about non-anisakis parasites?

Do I need to be kashrus-concerned about those in the wild fish I catch?
The S"A is matir worms in the meat. If you are eating other parts then yes.
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Re: Kosher Caviar
« Reply #61 on: November 11, 2014, 07:13:12 AM »
In Chu"L. Many poskim in the holy land are machmir on this issue
Virtually all of the gedolei haposkim in EY Asser.

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Re: Kosher Caviar
« Reply #62 on: November 11, 2014, 07:15:33 AM »
Those can have it. So if you are machmir don't buy it. General rule is that if it swims in the open ocean it will have it. The ou and ok are makil. In rav shternbuch's new volume of tshuvos he writes that this is the minhag in chutz laaretz. : jumps under table to not get hit by thrown tomatoes:
Is he supportive of the minhag or just stating a sad fact?

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Re: Kosher Caviar
« Reply #63 on: November 11, 2014, 07:43:41 AM »
Is he supportive of the minhag or just stating a sad fact?
he writes that the ikar offs kidivreihem but that it is good to be machmir
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Re: Kosher Caviar
« Reply #64 on: November 11, 2014, 07:51:15 AM »
Virtually all of the gedolei haposkim in EY Asser.
having done much personal research on the matter I can tell you that the poskim here have a much better understanding of the facts while those who presented the issue in eretz Yisroel have at best a very shallow understanding.
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Re: Kosher Caviar
« Reply #65 on: November 11, 2014, 08:21:00 AM »
having done much personal research on the matter I can tell you that the poskim here have a much better understanding of the facts while those who presented the issue in eretz Yisroel have at best a very shallow understanding.
C"v to say such a thing.
מכאן מודעה רבה לאוריתא..


The facts are published in dozens of kuntrisim and are readily available. What you are saying is a typical american excuse when presented with a problem that would limit OU revenues...

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Re: Kosher Caviar
« Reply #66 on: November 11, 2014, 08:36:05 AM »
C"v to say such a thing.
מכאן מודעה רבה לאוריתא..
Why is that? if they have the wrong facts then they have the wrong facts.

The facts are published in dozens of kuntrisim and are readily available.
These kuntresim are the best illustration of their shallow understanding of the facts.
What you are saying is a typical american excuse when presented with a problem that would limit OU revenues...
As I said
having done much personal research on the matter.....
I have nothing to do with the OU or Rav Belsky and couldn't care less about their revenues
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Re: Kosher Caviar
« Reply #67 on: November 11, 2014, 08:43:43 AM »
when presented with a problem that would limit OU revenues...
motzi Shem rah.
Life isn't about checking the boxes. Nobody cares.

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Re: Kosher Caviar
« Reply #68 on: November 11, 2014, 08:50:17 AM »
motzi Shem rah.
+1
Interesting how in the same post where he wrote that one can't say that a wrong set of facts was presented he goes on to write that someone who is certainly one of the biggest talmidei chachomim in America will let the revenue of an organization trump halacha:o:-\
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Re: Kosher Caviar
« Reply #69 on: November 11, 2014, 09:17:44 AM »
+1
Interesting how in the same post where he wrote that one can't say that a wrong set of facts was presented he goes on to write that someone who is certainly one of the biggest talmidei chachomim in America will let the revenue of an organization trump halacha:o:-\
I don't believe rav belsky considers the pesak of gedoley haposkim in EY as "binding halach". So for him he is not trumping " halach". It never is...


Back to the fish, I suggest you actually read some of these kuntrisim, you will find that there is very little debate about the facts.
There are questions how to how to interpret these facts, and obviously machlokesim in halacha.
The gedoley haposkim all asser, and to dismiss them as "uninformed" on a sheila that has been debated and discussed extensively throughout the world, is very wrong.

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Re: Kosher Caviar
« Reply #70 on: November 11, 2014, 09:25:44 AM »
I don't believe rav belsky considers the pesak of gedoley haposkim in EY as "binding halach". So for him he is not trumping " halach". It never is...


Back to the fish, I suggest you actually read some of these kuntrisim, you will find that there is very little debate about the facts.
There are questions how to how to interpret these facts, and obviously machlokesim in halacha.
The gedoley haposkim all asser, and to dismiss them as "uninformed" on a sheila that has been debated and discussed extensively throughout the world, is very wrong.
let's just say that I probably read every one of the kuntresim you are talking about and many more. I did quite a bit of my own research on the matter as well. One thing I can say with much confidence is that YOU are clueless. These kuntresim are more fiction than fact once you get into the details. What they supposedly assered is quite questionable as well as is evident from the aforementioned tshuva. I have seen it all in this topic including photoshopped letters.
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Re: Kosher Caviar
« Reply #71 on: November 11, 2014, 09:54:22 AM »
let's just say that I probably read every one of the kuntresim you are talking about and many more. I did quite a bit of my own research on the matter as well. One thing I can say with much confidence is that YOU are clueless. These kuntresim are more fiction than fact once you get into the details. What they supposedly assered is quite questionable as well as is evident from the aforementioned tshuva. I have seen it all in this topic including photoshopped letters.
OK, its getting OT and you've clearly taken a side...
Not going to get involved in debating the actual sheila here.
 But let's leave off that I strongly disagree with your conspiracy theories.

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Re: Kosher Caviar
« Reply #72 on: November 11, 2014, 10:14:40 AM »
OK, its getting OT and you've clearly taken a side...
I most certainly have, as you have as well. My side was taken based upon the research in metzius and halacha which I did and I have published a kuntres on the inyan, although, for various reasons, I did not distribute it publicly. Anyone who did as much research on an inyan as I did on this and does not take a side will not take a side on anything.
But let's leave off that I strongly disagree with your conspiracy theories.
Feel free to disagree, I have no problem with that. I do not feel there is a conspiracy, but the metzius was certainly presented incorrectly. If you do not believe me about the photoshopped letter pm me an email address to send the evidence. What was done is a subtlety, but does make a difference. This offer is to CBC only.
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Re: Kosher Caviar
« Reply #73 on: November 11, 2014, 10:21:11 AM »
... This offer is to CBC only.
Churnable? :D
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Re: Kosher Caviar
« Reply #74 on: November 11, 2014, 10:23:57 AM »
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Re: Kosher Caviar
« Reply #75 on: November 11, 2014, 10:30:52 AM »
OK, its getting OT and you've clearly taken a side...
Not going to get involved in debating the actual sheila here.
 But let's leave off that I strongly disagree with your conspiracy theories.
How is your's any less of a conspiracy?

Besides, this would hardly be the first time that groups of Jews in different areas were noheg based on conflicting psakim.
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Re: Kosher Caviar
« Reply #76 on: November 11, 2014, 11:29:38 AM »
did r dovid feinstein or r shlomo miller take a stand either way? i dont recall so

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Re: Kosher Caviar
« Reply #78 on: November 11, 2014, 12:13:54 PM »

Ossur


http://matzav.com/letter-from-rav-shlomo-miller-regarding-bugs-in-fish


I don't see anywhere that he said "ossur."

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Re: Kosher Caviar
« Reply #79 on: November 11, 2014, 12:41:23 PM »

Was this one photo shopped also?

http://www.vosizneias.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/aks2.jpg
I have no reason to believe so, but you should note that R Dovid does not state his personal opinion on the matter.

Btw, you sound like you have previous knowledge of what was edited. Do you?
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