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Re: Sold miles, broker never used them, what's their status?
« Reply #100 on: November 12, 2014, 02:51:16 PM »
this thread annoys me...just saying
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I hate when people stereotype brokers (or sellers)

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Re: Sold miles, broker never used them, what's their status?
« Reply #101 on: November 12, 2014, 02:55:04 PM »
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I hate when people stereotype brokers (or sellers)
or Towns or Groups

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Re: Sold miles, broker never used them, what's their status?
« Reply #102 on: November 12, 2014, 03:08:17 PM »
+1
I hate when people stereotype brokers (or sellers)



or Towns or Groups
or anyone
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Sold miles, broker never used them, what's their status?
« Reply #103 on: November 12, 2014, 07:09:57 PM »
Interesting topic. The whole idea of giving someone my account info makes me very nervous to begin with. I wouldn't want them having access for such a long period of time.

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Re: Sold miles, broker never used them, what's their status?
« Reply #104 on: November 12, 2014, 08:22:22 PM »
whats with all the "you should be ashamed", "be an honest citzen" sentiment? the whole purpose of ddms/ddf is finding ways to capitalize off other peoples mistakes. do people think screwing the corporations is any less dishonest and unethical than doing it to joe shmo the broker?

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Re: Sold miles, broker never used them, what's their status?
« Reply #105 on: November 12, 2014, 08:27:28 PM »
Interesting topic. The whole idea of giving someone my account info makes me very nervous to begin with. I wouldn't want them having access for such a long period of time.
But people gotta put food on the table for their yummy boys.  :)

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Re: Sold miles, broker never used them, what's their status?
« Reply #106 on: November 12, 2014, 09:56:40 PM »
It was for accounts I was able to reinstate.
What made you believe the buyer had no right to reinstate them himself?
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Re: Sold miles, broker never used them, what's their status?
« Reply #107 on: November 12, 2014, 10:01:42 PM »
What made you believe the buyer had no right to reinstate them himself?
You're right. Good point.
The miles were out of the account. I took back the account. Changed the password etc. Later I saw they were never used just expired. Seems to me if the buyer implies the account is mine after he uses the miles then him letting them expire is him using the miles. Meanwhile I actually did try to contact him and never got a response. After that I had no issue using them.
Again, maybe that's not right but that's where having rules written would help a lot.
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Re: Sold miles, broker never used them, what's their status?
« Reply #108 on: November 12, 2014, 10:21:15 PM »
You're right. Good point.
The miles were out of the account. I took back the account. Changed the password etc. Later I saw they were never used just expired. Seems to me if the buyer implies the account is mine after he uses the miles then him letting them expire is him using the miles. Meanwhile I actually did try to contact him and never got a response. After that I had no issue using them.
Again, maybe that's not right but that's where having rules written would help a lot.
That's a totally different story.

In my opinion (yes, it does matter), you sell "miles" not the "account", as anyone here would agree I'm still allowed to credit my flights or CCC  miles in a sold account and I can hold the buyer responsible if he uses the account in an irresponsible way which might jeopardize the account itself.

But after all, YOU SOLD THE MILES. Period.
You have no ownership on these miles. You sold it and now it belongs to your buyer. Yes, like a car.

And don't come with that corny joke of getting the car out of the garage because you well know it doesn't work that way - you can't just call a tow truck to get the miles out of the account. Sometimes the buyer didn't yet have a chance to use it.

Someone who tries to argue with the above makes a fool of himself and unsuccessfully tries to do the same to me and other readers.
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Re: Sold miles, broker never used them, what's their status?
« Reply #109 on: November 12, 2014, 10:23:56 PM »
At the end of the day there has to be rules in place.  The few times I've had questions as a seller I just polled all the buyers I know and went with the majority.

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Re: Sold miles, broker never used them, what's their status?
« Reply #110 on: November 12, 2014, 10:25:06 PM »
At the end of the day there has to be rules in place.
There will never be. Trust me.

It's all left to common sense and a little decency.
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Re: Sold miles, broker never used them, what's their status?
« Reply #111 on: November 12, 2014, 10:29:12 PM »
There will never be. Trust me.

It's all left to common sense and a little decency.

Well that's a different story all together. I said that a long while back already. If the OP just wants to be nice he'd wait and zehu.
I'd only change the password if I had some need to and would leave the miles in the account waiting for someone to come claim them.

But the truth is there should be some basic rules.

At the end of the day the buyer said he'd get the miles out of the account in 2 months or a bit longer and he didn't.
Just from a business aspect ALONE he should really be the one to deal with it and now.
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Re: Sold miles, broker never used them, what's their status?
« Reply #112 on: November 12, 2014, 10:30:50 PM »
There will never be. Trust me.

It's all left to common sense and a little decency.
Something I'v seen and heard missing on a lot of the buyers and sellers.

Why will there never be?

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Re: Sold miles, broker never used them, what's their status?
« Reply #113 on: November 12, 2014, 10:31:39 PM »
Something I'v seen and heard missing on a lot of the buyers and sellers.

Why will there never be?

Because everyone does their own thing. The most you can do as a buyer/seller is put your terms in writing before the sale and hold to them.
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Re: Sold miles, broker never used them, what's their status?
« Reply #114 on: November 12, 2014, 10:33:23 PM »
Something I'v seen and heard missing on a lot of the buyers and sellers.

Why will there never be?
Because there's no National Association of Mileage Brokers (also known as the NAMB) that makes guidelines for brokers.

Everyone can be a broker - including you and me. It just takes spending $50 to advertise in a local paper.
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Re: Sold miles, broker never used them, what's their status?
« Reply #115 on: November 12, 2014, 10:33:29 PM »
Because everyone does their own thing. The most you can do as a buyer/seller is put your terms in writing before the sale and hold to them.
So thats "rules in place" . Why does meshug think there will never be rules in place?
Just write it..

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Re: Sold miles, broker never used them, what's their status?
« Reply #116 on: November 12, 2014, 10:34:16 PM »
Because there's no National Association of Mileage Brokers (also known as the NAMB) that makes guidelines for brokers.

Everyone can be a broker - including you and me. It just takes spending $50 to advertise in a local paper.
k, but you and me should make the broker sign a paper with guidelines

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Re: Sold miles, broker never used them, what's their status?
« Reply #117 on: November 12, 2014, 10:40:16 PM »
k, but you and me should make the broker sign a paper with guidelines
That's absolutely a good idea.
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Re: Sold miles, broker never used them, what's their status?
« Reply #118 on: November 12, 2014, 10:50:07 PM »
k, but you and me should make the broker sign a paper with guidelines

and his social security # in case AA comes after you.

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Re: Sold miles, broker never used them, what's their status?
« Reply #119 on: November 12, 2014, 11:31:59 PM »
Yungeleit in Yeshiva on a general basis are living from check to check, yet they are more generous than the Balei Batim all over America. So much for Lakewood Yeshivish greedy Ganavim.

I disagree. A rich person giving away stolen money, is very different than people living paycheck to paycheck giving money. By a poor person - giving away money is a proof of not being greedy.
I was referring to the ganovim in this thread, I don't think that a majority of Lakewood residents eould sympathize with them
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