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Offline MeirS

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Re: Shooting reported in Israel in 2 locations
« Reply #140 on: November 18, 2014, 07:32:54 PM »
Amazing. So all we have to do is stop visiting har habayis and there will be peace in the holy land!

And if only Sharon didn't visit then intifada 2 wouldn't have happened! We'd all be singing kumbaya!

Why didn't anyone think of this earlier?
Some did.
This morning.

It was deleted.

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Re: Shooting reported in Israel in 2 locations
« Reply #141 on: November 18, 2014, 07:46:54 PM »
It was rhetorical.
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

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Re: Shooting reported in Israel in 2 locations
« Reply #142 on: November 18, 2014, 07:53:58 PM »
It was rhetorical.
I know.
I just had to say it.

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Re: Shooting reported in Israel in 2 locations
« Reply #143 on: November 18, 2014, 08:10:44 PM »
Another victim, the first police officer on the scene has passed
he was a Bedouin
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Re: Shooting reported in Israel in 2 locations
« Reply #144 on: November 18, 2014, 08:13:23 PM »

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Re: Shooting reported in Israel in 2 locations
« Reply #145 on: November 18, 2014, 08:14:18 PM »
Personal
I believe you should be מפרסם this story. Maybe email Yated and Hamodia. I'm sure they'd be dying to interview you.

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Re: Shooting reported in Israel in 2 locations
« Reply #146 on: November 18, 2014, 08:15:01 PM »
druze no?
to be honest i'm not 100% sure but i think bedouin although to most of us i don't think there is much of a difference
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Shooting reported in Israel in 2 locations
« Reply #147 on: November 18, 2014, 08:16:17 PM »
to be honest i'm not 100% sure but i think bedouin although to most of us i don't think there is much of a difference
I heard the ambassador say he was Druze
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Re: Shooting reported in Israel in 2 locations
« Reply #148 on: November 18, 2014, 08:24:15 PM »
What is gained by trying to figure out who's at fault?
Should we also try to point fingers for who's at fault for blood libels, the inquisition, the coassacks, and the holocaust?

Esav soneh es yakov is a halacha and nothing's going to change that.
Why can't your comment be used word for word to comment on the Gemara "אקמצא ובר קמצא חרוב ירושלים"?

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Re: Shooting reported in Israel in 2 locations
« Reply #149 on: November 18, 2014, 11:57:43 PM »
Turning this act of terrorism into your personal political soapbox is ridiculous.  Everything you just said is speculation based on your personal biases.
This is so funny because you have no idea what my personal political beliefs are.

If I forward this comment to any of my friends who know me personally they'll have their laugh of the day.
really?
http://www.bhol.co.il/article.aspx?id=76098

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Re: Shooting reported in Israel in 2 locations
« Reply #150 on: November 19, 2014, 12:02:54 AM »
I believe you should be מפרסם this story. Maybe email Yated and Hamodia. I'm sure they'd be dying to interview you.
I'm good friends with nachman seltzer from hamodia I'm planing to email him this story

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Re: Shooting reported in Israel in 2 locations
« Reply #151 on: November 19, 2014, 12:26:28 AM »
I'm good friends with nachman seltzer from hamodia I'm planing to email him this story
I heard that he gave an interview on kol mevaser

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Re: Shooting reported in Israel in 2 locations
« Reply #152 on: November 19, 2014, 01:06:29 AM »
I believe you should be מפרסם this story. Maybe email Yated and Hamodia. I'm sure they'd be dying to interview you.
R Brudny said this story over by the kinnus tonight

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Re: Shooting reported in Israel in 2 locations
« Reply #153 on: November 19, 2014, 05:42:09 AM »
R Brudny said this story over by the kinnus tonight
Where? Anyone have a recording of it?

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Re: Shooting reported in Israel in 2 locations
« Reply #154 on: November 19, 2014, 10:23:15 AM »
From Rebbetzin Heller:
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Subject: Details of yesterday's attack in Har Nof from Rebbetzin Heller. She asked that we post the truth wherever we can

Dear friends,
Yesterday at about 7am my daughter Miri called. "Mordechai just came home from shul. He said that Arabs came in and are shooting, and that a man with an axe is hitting everyone. Some of the people threw chairs at them, but it didn't help". The twelve year old had hit the floor along with everyone else when the bullets began to fly. He was fully aware of what was going on, and what it meant. He somehow found the courage to let go of his father's hand, crawl towards the exit and break into a run. Some of you know Miri and her family. She has had some of you over for Shabbos and holidays, and others sleeping in one of her kid's bedrooms when the crowd at my house gets too big to accommodate sanely. Mordechai is blonde, freckled, and a soft spoken somewhat introverted and studious boy, much like his father, Shmuli. He is not Huck Finn, and the courage he found at those moments were a gift straight from G-d. By the time he finished telling Miri what happened, sirens from Hatzalah ambulances, police cars, and Magen David could be heard telling her that there were casualties. "Where's Shmuli" was the thought that entered her mind again and again as the seconds which felt like hours began to tick. She called me and said, "Say Tehillim. There is shooting in Bnei Torah". I began to say the ancient prayers, stopped myself and called Rabbi Weidan, and told him what was happening. I then began the Tehillim again, knocked on my neighbor's door and told her to do the same. Chani called and told me to look at the news to see what was really happening. Nothing was reported as yet. Of course not. It was only 7:10.

I realized that the whether or not the attack was over, that no one as yet knew whether the murderers escaped. I called again, asking that everything be done to see that no one leaves the campus, and then called Miri. Thank G-d she had the sense to stay indoors and not run to the besieged synagogue. When Mordechai came home, the shooting was still happening. By 7:20 we both realized that if she didn't hear from Shmuli, something was very wrong. The police and other services had no information as yet to give to the public, but a family friend who had seen the terror with his own eyes, said that Shmuli had been taken to Haddassah EIn Karem. When Mordechai let go of his hand, he instinctively ran after the child placing himself in the sight of the terrorists. One of them attacked him with his axe, hitting him on the left side of his head, his back and his arm. Somehow he made it to the door. Josh White, a student of Machon Shlomo was riding down Agassi on his bike. He noticed what he described later as "a lot of confusion" in front of Bnei Torah asked someone what was going on, and surprisingly (for Har Nof) the man answered him in Hebrew! In the midst of what to him was gibberish, he picked up the word Aravim (Arabs) and immediately grasped what was happening. He approached the shul and saw Shmuli who was still aware. The Machon student took of his shirt and stopped the bleeding, a move which may have saved Shmuli's life. The shooting was still happening inside. It was about 7:15! The emergency crew drew back, but because SHmuli was already outside, they evacuated him thus making him the first of the wounded to be taken to Hadassah, another factor in his survival. Before collapsing, he asked where Mordechai was, and when he was told that the boy ran away from the carnage, he said, "Baruch Hashem". Inside, the terrorists were continuing their "work". When they entered they turned to their left, and immediately cut down Rabbi Twerski and Rav Kalman Levine who were standing in the corner. Reb Kalman was the husband of Chaya, formally Markowitz who was a student and later a madrichah at Neve. Her husband was not a regular attendee of Bnei Torah. He would generally daven in the earliest possible minyan so he could get in a couple of hours of learning before beginning his day. Yesterday he had a question about something he had learned and had gone after davening to Bnei Torah to put the question to its erudite rav, Rabbi Rubin. The question will now only be resolved in the Heavenly Acadamy. Rev Avraham Goldberg, the third man to be killed is Breina Goldberg's husband. Many of you know Breina as the warm caring efficient secretary cum mother figure at the front desk in the afternoon. I don't as yet know how her husband, or Reb Kupinski the fourth victim met their deaths. The only thing that I know, is that it was brutal and swift. The first policemen to enter were traffic cops who knew what they were facing, and also knew that they were not wearing protective gear. They entered anyway and together with the forces that came afterwards ended the bloodbath. By 7:30 the murderers were apprehended.

Miri, my daughter Guli, and her husband were in Hadassah. Miri's other kids were watched by relatives and friends for the day. Mordechai was urged to speak about what he saw again and again in order to diminish the damage of the trauma he had undergone. The rest of the family flowed in, saying Tehillim and waiting for updates. The hospital social worker, Aviva, who is blessed with the rare gift of being empathic without being overbearing, and the women of Ezer Mitzion (a volunteer organization) kept us well supplied with food, calming conversation and practical advice. We were allowed to see Shmuli who was put under anesthesia. We don't know if he heard us or not, but we were talking to him stressing that Mordechai was fine. In the hours before the surgery was done, we found ourselves with Risa Rotman. Her husband, Chaim Yechiel ben Malka, was also attacked, and the extent of his wounds are very serious. Some of you may know Risa (who if I am not mistaken also is an OBG) and those of you whose husbands learned in Ohr Sameach or who recall Reb Meir Shuster who he helped unstintingly for years, may know him as Howie. The policeman who entered first, passed away. May Hashem avenge his blood.

Every day in Eretz Yisrael is a gift and a miracle. I have no pretensions of knowing Hashem's will, but I do know that everything He does is purposeful, and that His compassion that is often hidden from the human eye. Anyone who values human life and reality and the eternal nature of the soul is appalled by the idea of people entering a synagogue and killing people who they never met randomly.

Except for CNN. They reported the entire event as an attack on a mosque.

Except for BBC. They reported that the Israeli police killed two Palestinians (they meant the murderers). The victims of Israeli brutality presumably were going on a stroll through scenic Har Nof when attacked by the racist troops….

Please post the truth to whomever you can reach.

Please please continue saying Tehillim for Shmuel Yerucham ben Baila and the other victims. Daven that Hashem give strength to the five new widows and 24 new orphans. Most of all thank Hashem that we are not Them, and treasure Hashem's Torah and His Land.

Love always,
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Re: Shooting reported in Israel in 2 locations
« Reply #155 on: November 19, 2014, 10:27:46 AM »
to be honest i'm not 100% sure but i think bedouin although to most of us i don't think there is much of a difference
They are different.

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Re: Shooting reported in Israel in 2 locations
« Reply #156 on: November 19, 2014, 11:09:38 AM »
From Rebbetzin Heller:
Heartbreaking
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Re: Shooting reported in Israel in 2 locations
« Reply #157 on: November 19, 2014, 12:20:40 PM »
They are different.
First of all I stand corrected he was druze second of all you missed the point I know they are different but to most of us it makes no difference which one
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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