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Re: Obamacare Master thread
« Reply #380 on: July 10, 2017, 06:44:58 PM »
PSA:

I get a lot of eligibility questions from clients and non-clients.

I just got off the phone with a friend/client who has very little income on his tax return, and while his W-2 is low to begin with, his schedule E brings it even lower.

Looking into the schedule E, reveals a substantial non-cash tax deduction, and his question was weather he is still Medicaid eligible (in NY) or as the person who helps people sign up for Medicaid and FS told him, he cannot take the deductions, and has to count all rental income.

I explained that eligibility in NY is currently based on MAGI (modified adjusted gross income) for most people.

More specifically, I pointed him to this, which answered his concerns.
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Re: Obamacare Master thread
« Reply #381 on: July 10, 2017, 07:53:48 PM »
PSA:

I get a lot of eligibility questions from clients and non-clients.

I just got off the phone with a friend/client who has very little income on his tax return, and while his W-2 is low to begin with, his schedule E brings it even lower.

Looking into the schedule E, reveals a substantial non-cash tax deduction, and his question was weather he is still Medicaid eligible (in NY) or as the person who helps people sign up for Medicaid and FS told him, he cannot take the deductions, and has to count all rental income.

I explained that eligibility in NY is currently based on MAGI (modified adjusted gross income) for most people.

More specifically, I pointed him to this, which answered his concerns.
I still find it surprising that the people who are supposed to be helping people sign up don't know this. I always have to explain to people who need it that they qualify because since Obama care, health insurance goes after MAGI, which is after all the deductions on tax return, and in some cases, even more.

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Re: Obamacare Master thread
« Reply #382 on: July 10, 2017, 07:59:01 PM »
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Obamacare Master thread
« Reply #383 on: July 11, 2017, 01:18:39 PM »
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Re: Obamacare Master thread
« Reply #385 on: July 17, 2017, 11:50:35 PM »
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-18/two-more-senate-republicans-say-no-to-leaders-on-health-care

Finally hope for something better than the garbage they've been coming up with.
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Re: Obamacare Master thread
« Reply #386 on: July 17, 2017, 11:57:27 PM »
If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: Obamacare Master thread
« Reply #387 on: July 18, 2017, 02:20:51 PM »
Avik Roy is pointing out that the 2015 bill leaves a bunch of liberal portions of Obamacare intact to meet the rules of reconciliation.
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Re: Obamacare Master thread
« Reply #390 on: July 24, 2017, 07:28:52 PM »
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Re: Obamacare Master thread
« Reply #392 on: July 28, 2017, 06:43:22 AM »
And now it's really here to stay.
Looks like the administration beclowning itself all week isn't smart strategy.

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Re: Obamacare Master thread
« Reply #393 on: July 28, 2017, 07:57:18 AM »
 Crazy how this is so partisan I think most demacrats know the the way it is is going to fail

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Re: Obamacare Master thread
« Reply #395 on: July 28, 2017, 10:49:53 AM »
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/449943/autopsy-gop-effort-repeal-and-replace-obamacare

The article doesn't give an actual plan for healthcare. All it says is that it wants to hold by Reagan's standard of "no one in this country should be denied medical care for lack of funds.”

The fundamental fact is that if you want to cover everybody, as the President and many Congressional GOP have stated, then everyone has to pay for either via taxes or insurance premiums. 

What the republicans should have done, and still can, is try to reduce overall healthcare costs. They have been obsessed with Obamacare because it came from Obama and it has heart the country.


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Re: Obamacare Master thread
« Reply #396 on: July 28, 2017, 10:57:12 AM »
The article doesn't give an actual plan for healthcare. All it says is that it wants to hold by Reagan's standard of "no one in this country should be denied medical care for lack of funds.”

The fundamental fact is that if you want to cover everybody, as the President and many Congressional GOP have stated, then everyone has to pay for either via taxes or insurance premiums. 

What the republicans should have done, and still can, is try to reduce overall healthcare costs. They have been obsessed with Obamacare because it came from Obama and it has heart the country.


Did you follow any of his links? Avik Roy wrote a 102 page document detailing how to get market based coverage to be near universal. He has been talking about this for a very long time and has written hundreds of articles about this in NR, WSJ, NYT, Forbes and more.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4VpAFwBu2fUQjNtaU82djRwM2s/view

https://freopp.org/understanding-freopps-obamacare-replacement-in-10-minutes-or-less-cef35faad51a

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/449621/how-would-ronald-reagan-have-replaced-obamacare
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Re: Obamacare Master thread
« Reply #397 on: July 28, 2017, 11:05:33 AM »
The fundamental fact is that if you want to cover everybody, as the President and many Congressional GOP have stated, then everyone has to pay for either via taxes or insurance premiums. 
https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2016/11/12/donald-trump-is-right-you-can-repeal-obamacare-and-still-cover-everyone-with-pre-existing-conditions/#5554d23075a5
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Re: Obamacare Master thread
« Reply #398 on: July 28, 2017, 12:13:33 PM »
Like him or not, you have to appreciate his perspective.

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/163526404616/health-care-is-a-system-not-a-goal

For those who haven't been following him, this isn't Monday morning QB. He's been saying the same thing all along.
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Re: Obamacare Master thread
« Reply #399 on: July 28, 2017, 12:53:52 PM »
Did you follow any of his links? Avik Roy wrote a 102 page document detailing how to get market based coverage to be near universal. He has been talking about this for a very long time and has written hundreds of articles about this in NR, WSJ, NYT, Forbes and more.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4VpAFwBu2fUQjNtaU82djRwM2s/view

https://freopp.org/understanding-freopps-obamacare-replacement-in-10-minutes-or-less-cef35faad51a

I took a read through the exec summery, and I dont see how this conflicts with what I said. Risk pooling and cost pooling are 2 sides of the same coin.

I dont think that everything he says is realistic. He says that he wants to move people from medicaid and medicare to privatized subsidized health insurance. People who are on those programs are generally happy with them, and they have lower administration costs. And both the programs have privatized aspects already. Just toon into daytime TV for 10 minutes and you will see all the advertisements for private insurance companies trying to get you to choose them during medicare open-enrollment. In NYS most medicaid is run by private companies and you need a reason to be on straight medicaid. As @ExGingi likes to point out medicaid is the gold standard in NY.
His plan isnt that different from the ACA. The ACA provides subsidies for people upto 400% of the poverty line. In order to get past the individual mandate you have to lower cost of insurance to the point that most people will get it anyways.

The bigger issue is cost. Roy has some good ideas on how to reduce costs and they should be given a good hard look at by policy makers.

The US spends 17% of GDP that means on *average* a person making a decent salary of 75k a year has to pay 12.8k towards healthcare. ( this number is distorted by many things including healthcare that paid via taxes and  the person might be getting employer health insurance that raises his gross compensation. I only use it as an illustration) 

But none of the GOP bills that went to the floor didn't really address costs, and they didn't really make anything better except for the few paying the enhanced medicare tax on investments.

Also a note on the process that they used.
The gave a lot of grief to the Dems for doing it in secret but the Dems had committee hearings and 10 months of an open process. Obama held town halls and went on the road to sell it.

A lot of GOP amendments were adopted in the committee process. 
Mcconnoll literally introduced the bill a few hours before the final vote.

Graham saying he was only voting for the bill to get to conference committee is BS. They could have informally worked out a bill with House leadership without risking them passing what Graham called bad policy.