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Re: Obamacare Master thread
« Reply #321 on: April 30, 2017, 03:47:25 PM »
Thoughts?
Supposedly they are only one vote short in the Senate.
I cant find a better right up of the bill to get more details.

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/to-save-lives-and-billions-of-dollars-new-york-state-must-pass-universal-health-care-9626315

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Re: Obamacare Master thread
« Reply #322 on: May 02, 2017, 09:57:47 AM »
Pre-existing Confusion: WSJ

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This debate is also distorted by a misunderstanding of health risks. The actuarial probability that a healthy person will become sick is already priced into premiums, meaning it is true insurance for unknown future health outcomes. People with pre-existing conditions don’t need insurance—they need help paying for expensive treatment that is already known.
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Re: Obamacare Master thread
« Reply #325 on: May 05, 2017, 05:59:51 PM »
The progressive view of healthcare......

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jun/17/nhs-health?CMP=share_btn_tw

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The NHS has been declared the best healthcare system by an international panel of experts who rated its care superior to countries which spend far more on health.
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The only serious black mark against the NHS was its poor record on keeping people alive.
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Re: Obamacare Master thread
« Reply #327 on: May 07, 2017, 12:59:17 PM »
Lol. Details, details....

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Re: Obamacare Master thread
« Reply #328 on: May 08, 2017, 04:57:37 PM »
From what I am seeing this is my take on Obamacare:

- The 20% on the top can afford all their medical expenses and did not get affected by the additional costs.
- The 20% on the bottom anyway had Medicaid and didn't gain anything from Obamacare.
- The 5% above the 20% who earned too much for medicaid are the only winners since Obama care gives then coverage at a reduced cost.
- The other 55% from lower to upper middle class got royally screwed!!!!!!

Now that Trump is trying to change things back to the way they were, the Liberals and most of the media who want him to fail at all costs are claiming that people in the 5% will die......... This totally ignores common sense reasoning that 55% of the people are suffering with unaffordable premiums, deductibles and co-pays for the sake of the 5%!!!



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Re: Obamacare Master thread
« Reply #329 on: May 08, 2017, 10:23:35 PM »
From what I am seeing this is my take on Obamacare:

- The 20% on the top can afford all their medical expenses and did not get affected by the additional costs.
- The 20% on the bottom anyway had Medicaid and didn't gain anything from Obamacare.
- The 5% above the 20% who earned too much for medicaid are the only winners since Obama care gives then coverage at a reduced cost.
- The other 55% from lower to upper middle class got royally screwed!!!!!!

Now that Trump is trying to change things back to the way they were, the Liberals and most of the media who want him to fail at all costs are claiming that people in the 5% will die......... This totally ignores common sense reasoning that 55% of the people are suffering with unaffordable premiums, deductibles and co-pays for the sake of the 5%!!!
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Re: Obamacare Master thread
« Reply #330 on: May 10, 2017, 09:59:57 AM »
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Re: Obamacare Master thread
« Reply #332 on: May 10, 2017, 11:33:18 PM »
From what I am seeing this is my take on Obamacare:

- The 20% on the top can afford all their medical expenses and did not get affected by the additional costs.
- The 20% on the bottom anyway had Medicaid and didn't gain anything from Obamacare.
- The 5% above the 20% who earned too much for medicaid are the only winners since Obama care gives then coverage at a reduced cost.
- The other 55% from lower to upper middle class got royally screwed!!!!!!

Now that Trump is trying to change things back to the way they were, the Liberals and most of the media who want him to fail at all costs are claiming that people in the 5% will die......... This totally ignores common sense reasoning that 55% of the people are suffering with unaffordable premiums, deductibles and co-pays for the sake of the 5%!!!
Agreed, but what exactly is trump changing? Nothing...

Still pre existing (non governor will make the unpopular decision to opt out)

small cuts to medicaid...

Still taxing the young and healthy to pay for everyone else...

Still screwing the middle class...

Unless im missing something...
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Re: Obamacare Master thread
« Reply #333 on: May 11, 2017, 12:10:28 AM »
Agreed, but what exactly is trump changing? Nothing...

Still pre existing (non governor will make the unpopular decision to opt out)

small cuts to medicaid...

Still taxing the young and healthy to pay for everyone else...

Still screwing the middle class...

Unless im missing something...

nope, unfortunately you are not missing anything, if the house plan were to get passed by the senate (it wont bec there are even more RINOS there, so it will be even more watered down and more liberal) trump will own it and it will keep getting worse.

there is nothing about their plan that is a replace and repeal, it is basically  obamacare with minor tweaks. it is still against the basics laws of insurance, you cant have guaranteed issue (coverage of pre-existing conditions) and community rating and have a reduction in premiums!

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Re: Obamacare Master thread
« Reply #334 on: May 11, 2017, 12:33:56 AM »
nope, unfortunately you are not missing anything, if the house plan were to get passed by the senate (it wont bec there are even more RINOS there, so it will be even more watered down and more liberal) trump will own it and it will keep getting worse.

there is nothing about their plan that is a replace and repeal, it is basically  obamacare with minor tweaks. it is still against the basics laws of insurance, you cant have guaranteed issue (coverage of pre-existing conditions) and community rating and have a reduction in premiums!
Yup,

as ben shapiro said, healthcare is not a right, but the republicans have joined the democrats and decided that it is.

He says out of 3 things, you can only have 2 regarding healthcare-  affordability, availability, quality.
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Re: Obamacare Master thread
« Reply #335 on: May 11, 2017, 12:38:08 AM »
Yup,

as ben shapiro said, healthcare is not a right, but the republicans have joined the democrats and decided that it is.

He says out of 3 things, you can only have 2 regarding healthcare-  affordability, availability, quality.
if anyone is interested in further reading of what is really going on:  https://www.conservativereview.com/articles/republicans-help-promote-obamacare-but-hey-tax-cuts

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Re: Obamacare Master thread
« Reply #336 on: May 11, 2017, 03:34:08 PM »
Something needs to be done, my premiums are about 800 a month (went up 15% since last year and coverage got worse) and I'm paying another 1000 between copays, coinsurance, and vision and dental. It's killing me, I think 10 times before taking my kids to the Dr. but what am I supposed to do if my kids complaining about something!
Anyone have any ideas on how to get on to jerseycare?
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Re: Obamacare Master thread
« Reply #338 on: June 05, 2017, 12:45:48 AM »
Yup,

as ben shapiro said, healthcare is not a right, but the republicans have joined the democrats and decided that it is.

He says out of 3 things, you can only have 2 regarding healthcare-  affordability, availability, quality.

Big fan of Ben Shapiro but don't agree with him on healthcare. Economically (affordability), having a single payer system gives economies of scale, thereby reducing costs.
From the perspective of availability and reliability, there are many Western countries with single payer systems that have patient outcomes on par with good US hospitals. I think that Republicans are too boxed in on this issue.

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Re: Obamacare Master thread
« Reply #339 on: June 05, 2017, 07:31:07 AM »
What's the drawbacks of NY essential plan compared to Medicaid (besides the $20 a month and small copays)?

Is child health plus the same as Medicaid?