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Re: a frielichin purim!!!!
« Reply #160 on: March 17, 2024, 08:02:48 PM »
I guess I am hanging out in the right places.
BH. I am too.
 However, today I was in a bm and someone was telling me his kids were asking him if mm has to be 2 Berachos... He said his wife as well who is a teacher use to think that until he told her it's wrong.  It's a common misconception that schools are teaching to children. Good schools.
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Re: a frielichin purim!!!!
« Reply #161 on: March 17, 2024, 08:04:09 PM »
BH. I am too.
 However, today I was in a bm and someone was telling me his kids were asking him if mm has to be 2 Berachos... He said his wife as well who is a teacher use to think that until he told her it's wrong.  It's a common misconception that schools are teaching to children. Good schools.

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Re: a frielichin purim!!!!
« Reply #162 on: March 17, 2024, 10:01:14 PM »
The other mistake (two people) bothers me more. Two brachos just comes from misunderstanding what two minim means, but where did the idea of giving two people come from?

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Re: a frielichin purim!!!!
« Reply #163 on: March 17, 2024, 10:02:13 PM »
The other mistake (two people) bothers me more. Two brachos just comes from misunderstanding what two minim means, but where did the idea of giving two people come from?
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Re: a frielichin purim!!!!
« Reply #164 on: March 17, 2024, 10:05:26 PM »
The other mistake (two people) bothers me more. Two brachos just comes from misunderstanding what two minim means, but where did the idea of giving two people come from?
Matanos levyonim obviously

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Re: a frielichin purim!!!!
« Reply #165 on: March 17, 2024, 10:06:58 PM »
The other mistake (two people) bothers me more. Two brachos just comes from misunderstanding what two minim means, but where did the idea of giving two people come from?
+1
It could be it stems from a minhag to give to one person directly and one person with a sheliyach.

Some say that "mishloach manos" has to specifically be "sent". Some even say that a sheli'ach is kemoso, so it's not 'sent', and they spefically go out of their way to send it with a koton, who cannot be 'kemoso'...

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Re: a frielichin purim!!!!
« Reply #166 on: March 17, 2024, 10:12:51 PM »
It could be it stems from a minhag to give to one person directly and one person with a sheliyach.

Some say that "mishloach manos" has to specifically be "sent". Some even say that a sheli'ach is kemoso, so it's not 'sent', and they spefically go out of their way to send it with a koton, who cannot be 'kemoso'...
Maybe in certain yeshivish circles. I'm sure the people making these types of mistakes have no idea what you are talking about.
More likely like imayid it's from matanoe l'evyonim

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Re: a frielichin purim!!!!
« Reply #167 on: March 17, 2024, 10:15:40 PM »
I think some have the minhag to give to a kohen a Levi and a yisrael

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Re: a frielichin purim!!!!
« Reply #168 on: March 17, 2024, 10:17:29 PM »
I think some have the minhag to give to a kohen a Levi and a yisrael
And three matzos to each

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Re: a frielichin purim!!!!
« Reply #169 on: March 17, 2024, 10:20:57 PM »
I think some have the minhag to give to a kohen a Levi and a yisrael
The Rebbe did this and gave a food and a drink. But halacha it's not.
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Re: a frielichin purim!!!!
« Reply #170 on: March 17, 2024, 10:22:22 PM »
The Rebbe did this and gave a food and a drink. But halacha it's not.
Really? I thought he was just being a @boredbochur
What is the inyan behind it?

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Re: a frielichin purim!!!!
« Reply #171 on: March 17, 2024, 10:22:37 PM »
I heard that some people even give without ANY theme. What amaratzim!

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Re: a frielichin purim!!!!
« Reply #172 on: March 17, 2024, 11:46:48 PM »
That's the common conception and how it's being done (by most), but interestingly, this is not being discussed at all in the Rishonim or earlier Acharonim. Two Achronim raise the question and stay unclear. The Aruch H'Shilchan is the one and only who posits clearly that it needs to be two minim, while some others didn't take that position.
so I went through the Sugya of MM. Mechaber and mb both don't explain what shtei min means as you said. The Aruch H'Shilchan says as well that you cannot be yotzei with two of same min... However I didn't seem to find anyone who holds you can... RabeInu Chananel says you can be yotzei but the taste has to be a little different. Rav elyashiv says similar, you can be yotzei same if they are cooked differently etc. One cooked, one roasted... No-one seems to say that you can be yotzei with 2 exact same items... ?
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Re: a frielichin purim!!!!
« Reply #173 on: Yesterday at 12:12:26 AM »
so I went through the Sugya of MM. Mechaber and mb both don't explain what shtei min means as you said. The Aruch H'Shilchan says as well that you cannot be yotzei with two of same min... However I didn't seem to find anyone who holds you can... RabeInu Chananel says you can be yotzei but the taste has to be a little different. Rav elyashiv says similar, you can be yotzei same if they are cooked differently etc. One cooked, one roasted... No-one seems to say that you can be yotzei with 2 exact same items... ?
Some say Everyone has it wrong as it says שתי מנות בשר (Which btw clearly indicates it can be the same min) but this is the main thing  - מנות does Not mean type rather it means portion - you need to give two portions to one person Read the Mechaber and MB and they are very meduyik that this is the correct meaning.

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Re: a frielichin purim!!!!
« Reply #174 on: Yesterday at 12:23:00 AM »
Some say Everyone has it wrong as it says שתי מנות בשר (Which btw clearly indicates it can be the same min) but this is the main thing  - מנות does Not mean type rather it means portion - you need to give two portions to one person Read the Mechaber and MB and they are very meduyik that this is the correct meaning.
I would say pashut pshat that מנות means 2 gifts. So it should be 2 different things. I wouldn't think it should b'davka be same thing.
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Re: a frielichin purim!!!!
« Reply #175 on: Yesterday at 12:27:20 AM »
so I went through the Sugya of MM. Mechaber and mb both don't explain what shtei min means as you said. The Aruch H'Shilchan says as well that you cannot be yotzei with two of same min... However I didn't seem to find anyone who holds you can... RabeInu Chananel says you can be yotzei but the taste has to be a little different. Rav elyashiv says similar, you can be yotzei same if they are cooked differently etc. One cooked, one roasted... No-one seems to say that you can be yotzei with 2 exact same items... ?

Okay..
The Mechaber and MB don't mention a word about two minim. (The lashon h'mechaber actually implies the same min is also fine.)
What Rabbeinu Chananel are you referring too?
The פרי מגדים בראש יוסף raises the question and is leaning towards one min is good enough, the Batchutcher Rov in A"A also speculates.
As I said the Aruch H'shilchan is the only one of the previous poskim who strictly requires two minim with certainty. (He has a diyuk from a Rambam, which others aren't maskim with.)
The מהרש״ג and אפרקסתא דעניא are both of the opinion that it can be two of the very same, and the ציץ אליעזר is also arguing very strongly against the Aruch H'shilchan, going as far as saying that even one large portion which can be divided for two is perhaps also good enough.
The Belzer Rov Reb Yisochor Dov Ztz"l gave two slices of the same cake for Mishloach Manos, which was perceived by the poskim of his chassidim as מעשה רב that it must not be two minim.
But פוק חזי מאי עמא דבר, the minhag h'olam is definitely to be makpid on two minim. 

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Re: a frielichin purim!!!!
« Reply #176 on: Yesterday at 12:41:59 AM »
I would say pashut pshat that מנות means 2 gifts. So it should be 2 different things. I wouldn't think it should b'davka be same thing.
The מן in the midbar was a portion - read the mechaber and MB as a portion and you wont wanna go back!

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Re: a frielichin purim!!!!
« Reply #178 on: Yesterday at 01:58:25 PM »
Some say Everyone has it wrong as it says שתי מנות בשר (Which btw clearly indicates it can be the same min) but this is the main thing  - מנות does Not mean type rather it means portion - you need to give two portions to one person Read the Mechaber and MB and they are very meduyik that this is the correct meaning.

I had a neighbor who had a hot dog/burger stand on Purim, and their MM was to give everyone a hot dog, cotton candy, some drinks...