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Re: NFL playoffs 2015
« Reply #300 on: January 25, 2015, 07:47:00 AM »
Correct. He had 0 fumbles as a patriot (although only five for the Bengals)
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Re: NFL playoffs 2015
« Reply #301 on: January 25, 2015, 10:12:49 AM »
such as?
He is very particular about exactly how he likes his footballs so he would certainly know when choosing them out anything is wrong. Yet the entire time he was playing he had no idea they were different. Is one example

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Re: NFL playoffs 2015
« Reply #302 on: January 25, 2015, 10:32:40 AM »
OK lets cut out all the BS. He got caught doing what a lot of quarterbacks do. End of story!
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Re: NFL playoffs 2015
« Reply #303 on: January 25, 2015, 10:40:43 AM »
He is very particular about exactly how he likes his footballs so he would certainly know when choosing them out anything is wrong. Yet the entire time he was playing he had no idea they were different. Is one example
weak. Many people are experimenting and trying to feel the difference of 2 pounds psi, and they're saying it don't feel that much different.
Do you realize the amount of focus and concentration a QB has to have from the snap to the pass?
He has to see the last second changes of the defense, see where the pressure is coming from, look at his WRs, find one that will be open by the time his pass gets to them, etc. etc. I believe that it is very possible that he wouldn't notice the difference. (Only people with amazing ability to focus in can be NFL QBs, we can't even begin to understand the powers they have of blanking out everything except for their job at hand)
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Re: NFL playoffs 2015
« Reply #304 on: January 25, 2015, 10:49:33 AM »
weak. Many people are experimenting and trying to feel the difference of 2 pounds psi, and they're saying it don't feel that much different.
Do you realize the amount of focus and concentration a QB has to have from the snap to the pass?
He has to see the last second changes of the defense, see where the pressure is coming from, look at his WRs, find one that will be open by the time his pass gets to them, etc. etc. I believe that it is very possible that he wouldn't notice the difference. (Only people with amazing ability to focus in can be NFL QBs, we can't even begin to understand the powers they have of blanking out everything except for their job at hand)
Except that you have all these other QB's, current and former, saying that as a QB you do notice the difference. The fact that a bunch of people 'experimented' doesn't prove anything because those people aren't/weren't QB's in professional football.

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Re: NFL playoffs 2015
« Reply #305 on: January 25, 2015, 10:53:33 AM »
Except that you have all these other QB's, current and former, saying that as a QB you do notice the difference. The fact that a bunch of people 'experimented' doesn't prove anything because those people aren't/weren't QB's in professional football.
Please link a pro QB who said they'd notice in a game a 2 psi difference.

Plus the guy who intercepted the ball said he did not notice a difference.

Disclaimer: I personally hate the Pats. I just think the media's coverage is sickening.

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Re: NFL playoffs 2015
« Reply #306 on: January 25, 2015, 11:37:33 AM »
the Pats cant win this pne
if they win next week then ppl will say they got there by cheating and if they lose then ppl will say they cant win without cheating

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Re: NFL playoffs 2015
« Reply #307 on: January 25, 2015, 11:47:40 AM »
Correct. He had 0 fumbles as a patriot (although only five for the Bengals)
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fair, but not much of a sample, as you note

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Re: NFL playoffs 2015
« Reply #308 on: January 25, 2015, 01:00:01 PM »
fair, but not much of a sample, as you note
500+ carries and not one fumble and then the next 500 and 5 fumbles. How much of a sample do you want?
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Re: NFL playoffs 2015
« Reply #309 on: January 25, 2015, 01:22:01 PM »
500+ carries and not one fumble and then the next 500 and 5 fumbles. How much of a sample do you want?

More than 5? 

5 is nothing. 5 is a fluke.

If with the Patriots he was averaging 30 and then with the bucs was averaging 70, that would be something to talk about.

But he still hasn't had more than 5 in his career.

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Re: NFL playoffs 2015
« Reply #310 on: January 25, 2015, 01:35:13 PM »
More than 5? 

5 is nothing. 5 is a fluke.

If with the Patriots he was averaging 30 and then with the bucs was averaging 70, that would be something to talk about.

But he still hasn't had more than 5 in his career.
Time to take off the rose colored glasses!
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Re: NFL playoffs 2015
« Reply #311 on: January 25, 2015, 02:15:36 PM »
Time to take off the rose colored glasses!
http://www.buzzfeed.com/lindseyadler/data-shows-the-patriots-have-fumbled-the-ball-far-less-than#.bbaMGyGAV

Maybe the weather in Boston is less conducive to fumbles? Did they run that data? (Compare patriots at home to on the road)

Did they also compare the Patriots players who switch teams?

Look, maybe they do deflate it every single game. But if you can run the numbers better, I don't want to hear about it until they have.

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Re: NFL playoffs 2015
« Reply #312 on: January 25, 2015, 02:22:41 PM »
Look, maybe they do deflate it every single game. But if you can run the numbers better, I don't want to hear about it until they have.
It don't matter what numbers they run. You can debate all you want if what they did was cheating but what isn't up for debate by any common sense individual is what they did.  ;)
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Re: NFL playoffs 2015
« Reply #313 on: January 25, 2015, 02:30:00 PM »
It don't matter what numbers they run. You can debate all you want if what they did was cheating but what isn't up for debate by any common sense individual is what they did.  ;)

This isn't the first time I've been accused of not having common sense.

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Re: NFL playoffs 2015
« Reply #314 on: January 25, 2015, 02:38:44 PM »
This isn't the first time I've been accused of not having common sense.
You have plenty of common sense. You choose not to use it in this case.  :)
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Re: NFL playoffs 2015
« Reply #315 on: January 25, 2015, 02:40:51 PM »
You have plenty of common sense. You choose not to use it in this case.  :)

Probably not the first time I've been accused like that either.

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Re: NFL playoffs 2015
« Reply #316 on: January 25, 2015, 08:25:35 PM »

More than 5? 

5 is nothing. 5 is a fluke.

If with the Patriots he was averaging 30 and then with the bucs was averaging 70, that would be something to talk about.

But he still hasn't had more than 5 in his career.
5 fumbles on 500 carries for a ruNning back is no fluke. That's a pretty significant amount of fumbles.

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Re: NFL playoffs 2015
« Reply #317 on: January 25, 2015, 08:33:57 PM »
Then again, maybe he got soft hands in his old age.

Is there the opposite scrnario, someone who fumbled occasionally, who then came to N.E. and never fumbled?

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Re: NFL playoffs 2015
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Re: NFL playoffs 2015
« Reply #319 on: January 26, 2015, 12:21:11 AM »
Ok, here's for all the haters

http://www.csnne.com/blog/patriots-talk/pft-patriots-footballs-may-have-been-closer-115-psi
Has nothing to do with hate. I was rooting for NE. So according to this report the footballs were only a little bit pregnant?  ::)
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