Author Topic: 5 day Kauai/Maui Trip Report with 4 month old and maneuvering tznius issues  (Read 13707 times)

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Wow. Not that it means much, but throughout your TR, I could not help but be impressed with your self-control and high standards.

Truly remarkable. Hashem should bless you!
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Thanks for being informative but also sensitive to others!
It's clear you put a lot of time into phrasing things sensitively

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Honestly, I think this is quite calm. And everyone is calling out Dav more than the OP.
exactly, it seems like people are looking to jump on the first person that doesn't agree with the OP

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exactly, it seems like people are looking to jump on the first person that doesn't agree with the OP
Nope. People are looking to jump on the first person to criticize and judge the OP. No one is saying that everyone has to do what he does. But no one should say he can't or shouldn't do what he does
« Last Edit: January 21, 2015, 11:02:51 AM by Ergel »
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+1 there is no reason to go if your going to act like that, no one is forcing someone to go to Hawaii.
My gosh I know it looks like I meant the OP but I was speaking in general, Yes it was very well written, but people who plan on removing  there glasses or will look down on the floor every time there is a person that is not dressed modest enough for him shouldn't go to those places in the first place! didn't mean anyone personal.   

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Of course you can have a great time without dipping your toe in the sand or water, but there's no excuse for not finding a private beach on any Hawaiian island at any time of the day.

Just my .02

We put our feet in the water. But it was at the GHK before 10 AM or sunset time. We easily could have done the pools there same time but my wife didn't bring her aqua gear. Polihole we had gone for sunset in the past but from the looks of it could have been done mid-day as well. Road to Hana had many places to dip our feet. Not too much sand, but beautiful scenery. We spent a long time watching the waves smashing the lava rock in what seemed endless beaches to ourselves even during mid-day.

Just want to stress that we had an awesome time and I didn't spend most of the time with my head in the sand (although a lot of time in the Andaz while outside). Just sharing my experience because with a little tweaking, homework and creativity.....it could have been even better.

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Very interesting trip report. Even tough you didn't see or do most of the things others do you still managed to have an amazing time. Kudos for that and standing up to that level.

If you think about it, what you basically did was take nice drives, see beautiful scenery, and go some great hikes. Most people looking to do that would go somewhere like Colorado or the Southwest. I would think that to schlep to Hawaii for that would be a waste, but if you were happy with that descision, who am I to judge 8)?

That being said, with enough research one could do all the typical Hawaiian activities such as swimming and snorkeling while still maintaining that level of tznius. As Dan mentioned, there are plenty of private beaches to be found throughout the islands; there are also many vacation rentals with private pools. Of course with a baby in tow some of those may not be practical, but there are still options.

ETA: Just saw your last post. Looks like we're on the same page ;D.
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If you think about it, what you basically did was take nice drives, see beautiful scenery, and go some great hikes. Most people looking to do that would go somewhere like Colorado or the Southwest. I would think that to schlep to Hawaii for that would be a waste, but if you were happy with that descision, who am I to judge 8)?


We did Colorado, Grand Canyon, Hiked down Supai, Canadian Rockies, Zion, Bryce, Yosemite, Yellowstone, Glacier, Tetons. But I do agree if it's someones 1 time shot who loves nature then he could easily be satisfied with any of the above.

For me, sitting on a plane with no cell phone reception and being able to have a conversation uninterrupted with my wife is also part of the getaway (remember that I have 8 and the house gets quiet at 11:30 PM when I'm practically sleeping) . Anyways we need to fly 5-6 ours to west coast, so 5 more hours to see something spectacular was worth it for us.

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I really value you keeping to znius, that we all should. Halevai I will be on that level 1 day

But can I ask you: every time you walk to the pool area or other areas like waterfalls you are putting yourself in a place we're you are likely to see undressed women. So if you keep to haloches, what's your justification for this?

as you said yourself, you had to look a way a lot, but that means you saw something that made you look away

I know on today's streets you also see things, so one can't be totally "obgehiten" but for a guy that wants to keep to hilches znius, what's your heter to go to a "mokom sakone" of znius

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I really value you keeping to znius, that we all should. Halevai I will be on that level 1 day

But can I ask you: every time you walk to the pool area or other areas like waterfalls you are putting yourself in a place we're you are likely to see undressed women. So if you keep to haloches, what's your justification for this?

as you said yourself, you had to look a way a lot, but that means you saw something that made you look away

I know on today's streets you also see things, so one can't be totally "obgehiten" but for a guy that wants to keep to hilches znius, what's your heter to go to a "mokom sakone" of znius
the world is not black or white

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I really value you keeping to znius, that we all should. Halevai I will be on that level 1 day

But can I ask you: every time you walk to the pool area or other areas like waterfalls you are putting yourself in a place we're you are likely to see undressed women. So if you keep to haloches, what's your justification for this?

as you said yourself, you had to look a way a lot, but that means you saw something that made you look away

I know on today's streets you also see things, so one can't be totally "obgehiten" but for a guy that wants to keep to hilches znius, what's your heter to go to a "mokom sakone" of znius
the world is not black or white
?
'chuchem' seams to believe that if you cannot be perfect you should do whatever you want.
BTW IMO if you are at a lower level in "ruchnius" in a certain subject than someone else you should not be the one questioning him on that
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I really value you keeping to znius, that we all should. Halevai I will be on that level 1 day

But can I ask you: every time you walk to the pool area or other areas like waterfalls you are putting yourself in a place we're you are likely to see undressed women. So if you keep to haloches, what's your justification for this?

as you said yourself, you had to look a way a lot, but that means you saw something that made you look away

I know on today's streets you also see things, so one can't be totally "obgehiten" but for a guy that wants to keep to hilches znius, what's your heter to go to a "mokom sakone" of znius
Perhaps looking (then turning away) is different than gazing.

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'chuchem' seams to believe that if you cannot be perfect you should do whatever you want.
BTW IMO if you are at a lower level in "ruchnius" in a certain subject than someone else you should not be the one questioning him on that
Read it again
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Read it again
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