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Re: Get $20 Amazon gift card when you create a registry
« Reply #80 on: January 29, 2015, 06:27:03 PM »
I disagree. Just like some ask for moderate Muslims to speak out against those Muslim "poskim" that give people the wrong impression about their religion, we too have a responsibility to call out those that make a mockery of ours. Just because someone has followers doesn't cloak them from accountability if they are preaching theft or xenophobia.
Maybe it's time to have a Hilchos Shmiras Halashon thread. Before deciding it's okay to say something, it's important to make sure that it fulfills the conditions of l'toeles.

I'm not saying that any specific Rav is right or wrong. I'm just saying that we need to be careful with what we say.
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Re: Get $20 Amazon gift card when you create a registry
« Reply #81 on: January 29, 2015, 06:37:09 PM »
I agree with both of your points. However, that doesn't make it okay to say lashon hara about any Rav. Even if you don't know who it is, the person who asked him does, and you are putting the Rav down in his eyes.

You're right I did come down a bit hard.
I do apologize.

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Re: Get $20 Amazon gift card when you create a registry
« Reply #82 on: January 29, 2015, 06:38:29 PM »
You're right I did come down a bit hard.
I do apologize.
Apology accepted. And it's not just you - this issue comes up all the time around here unfortunately.
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Re: Get $20 Amazon gift card when you create a registry
« Reply #83 on: January 29, 2015, 08:13:48 PM »


I disagree. Just like some ask for moderate Muslims to speak out against those Muslim "poskim" that give people the wrong impression about their religion, we too have a responsibility to call out those that make a mockery of ours. Just because someone has followers doesn't cloak them from accountability if they are preaching theft or xenophobia.

-1000000 you are just using this as a way to preach your antisemitism if we have rabbis preaching things like suicide of course rabbis will come out against it the same way no one defends Lev tahor
Just because you feel something is stealing doesn't mean it is, your little brain is not as smart as the Torah and you have no right to decide these things on your own if you studied these halachos then you have a right to an opinion until then shut up and stop preaching kefira and antisemitism
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Re: Get $20 Amazon gift card when you create a registry
« Reply #84 on: January 29, 2015, 08:55:18 PM »

-1000000 you are just using this as a way to preach your antisemitism if we have rabbis preaching things like suicide of course rabbis will come out against it the same way no one defends Lev tahor
Just because you feel something is stealing doesn't mean it is, your little brain is not as smart as the Torah and you have no right to decide these things on your own if you studied these halachos then you have a right to an opinion until then shut up and stop preaching kefira and antisemitism

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Re: Get $20 Amazon gift card when you create a registry
« Reply #85 on: January 29, 2015, 09:07:56 PM »
... your little brain is not as smart as the Torah

Who gets to decide who represents the Torah?  Just because someone today says something it doesn't mean we have to switch off our brains. If a "rabbi" says that you can steal from a company as long as the don't catch you, that's not Torah.

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Re: Get $20 Amazon gift card when you create a registry
« Reply #86 on: January 29, 2015, 09:09:51 PM »


Who gets to decide who represents the Torah?  Just because someone today says something it doesn't mean we have to switch off our brains. If a "rabbi" says that you can steal from a company as long as the don't catch you, that's not Torah.

When you learn all the relevant halachos you can decide if it's stealing until then keep your mouth shut and stop the antisemitism
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Re: Get $20 Amazon gift card when you create a registry
« Reply #87 on: January 29, 2015, 09:36:19 PM »

When you learn all the relevant halachos you can decide if it's stealing until then keep your mouth shut and stop the antisemitism

I'm not sure you should be so free to throw around the word antisemitism to someone who has dedicated his life to service of the Jewish community simply because you disagree with me about some things.  I can see that this is an emotional issue for you and others which causes you to say irrational things. I'll drop the matter.

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Re: Get $20 Amazon gift card when you create a registry
« Reply #88 on: January 29, 2015, 09:38:30 PM »
I'm not sure you should be so free to throw around the word antisemitism to someone who has dedicated his life to service of the Jewish community simply because you disagree with me about some things.  I can see that this is an emotional issue for you and others which causes you to say irrational things. I'll drop the matter.
Obama is also "dedicated" to Israel it's the same BS
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Re: Get $20 Amazon gift card when you create a registry
« Reply #89 on: January 29, 2015, 09:47:19 PM »
I'm not sure you should be so free to throw around the word antisemitism to someone who has dedicated his life to service of the Jewish community simply because you disagree with me about some things.  I can see that this is an emotional issue for you and others which causes uyou to say irrational things. I'll drop the matter.

If you have a problem with what ppl do then keep your opinions to yourself and MYOB!!
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Re: Get $20 Amazon gift card when you create a registry
« Reply #90 on: January 29, 2015, 10:10:09 PM »
My thought is that you're justifying stealing.
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Re: Get $20 Amazon gift card when you create a registry
« Reply #91 on: January 29, 2015, 10:18:03 PM »
Are you a posek?? What are you basing your words on?
I asked a dayan about this specific deal and (to cut a long story short) he told me that as long as I know that Amazon (or any other parties involved) won't find out that I'm not actually getting married then there is nothing wrong.
Would you mind sharing the reason that this posek gave?

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Re: Get $20 Amazon gift card when you create a registry
« Reply #92 on: January 29, 2015, 10:20:03 PM »
Would you mind sharing the reason that this posek gave?
now this is a more appropriate question
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Re: Get $20 Amazon gift card when you create a registry
« Reply #93 on: January 29, 2015, 10:23:55 PM »
now this is a more appropriate question
Everyone has the right to an opinion. But let's first hear why he felt it is okay before we rip on him.

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Re: Get $20 Amazon gift card when you create a registry
« Reply #94 on: January 29, 2015, 10:50:44 PM »
Would you mind sharing the reason that this posek gave?

After thinking for a while he said there is a halachic problem that the rambam brings down called 'charutz'  (I can't remember for sure if that was the word but I'll double check) but added that if I know 100% that there is no way the 'company' can verify whether I'm getting married or not then this halacha does not apply.

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Re: Get $20 Amazon gift card when you create a registry
« Reply #95 on: January 29, 2015, 11:24:18 PM »
After thinking for a while he said there is a halachic problem that the rambam brings down called 'charutz'  (I can't remember for sure if that was the word but I'll double check) but added that if I know 100% that there is no way the 'company' can verify whether I'm getting married or not then this halacha does not apply.
Did he say why it helps if they don't know whether or not you are really getting married?

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Re: Get $20 Amazon gift card when you create a registry
« Reply #96 on: January 29, 2015, 11:43:23 PM »
After thinking for a while he said there is a halachic problem that the rambam brings down called 'charutz'  (I can't remember for sure if that was the word but I'll double check) but added that if I know 100% that there is no way the 'company' can verify whether I'm getting married or not then this halacha does not apply.


Did he say why it helps if they don't know whether or not you are really getting married?
it sounds like the reasoning is not because they won't find out but because it is something which they are doing without any pretense of verification. This shows that they don't really care that it will be used by others.
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Re: Get $20 Amazon gift card when you create a registry
« Reply #97 on: January 30, 2015, 12:35:12 AM »
Humpf.

Or: is it ethical to get engaged just to get tons of gifts, and then break up and just split the gifts between the two of you?
How often/how many times is this churnable? :P

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Re: Get $20 Amazon gift card when you create a registry
« Reply #98 on: January 30, 2015, 12:36:51 AM »
How often/how many times is this churnable? :P

As often as your social circle will tolerate!!
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Re: Get $20 Amazon gift card when you create a registry
« Reply #99 on: January 30, 2015, 08:52:31 AM »
I'm not sure you should be so free to throw around the word antisemitism to someone who has dedicated his life to service of the Jewish community simply because you disagree with me about some things.  I can see that this is an emotional issue for you and others which causes you to say irrational things. I'll drop the matter.
my feelings are for this community
Also why don't you say say which community it is the same way like he's supposed to say which rav he asked?
My thought is that you're justifying stealing.
who exactly cares about your thought???  the same way or oven more you ask for proof that's Mutar bring your own proof not thoughts that it's asur