Author Topic: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel  (Read 29987 times)

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #135 on: February 22, 2015, 09:48:48 AM »
I posted before I saw this.

That notwithstanding, I  know people who are well informed and would not agree with this in it's entirety.
They think the OU is lying? How can you rely on their kashrus at all then?
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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #136 on: February 22, 2015, 09:53:27 AM »
They think the OU is lying? How can you rely on their kashrus at all then?

You have enough stars under your name to know that there are many shades of truth.

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #137 on: February 22, 2015, 09:55:42 AM »
You have enough stars under your name to know that there are many shades of truth.
That statement doesn't leave any room for gray. And I don't want my kashrus organizations working in the gray areas anyways
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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #138 on: February 22, 2015, 10:03:44 AM »
That statement doesn't leave any room for gray. And I don't want my kashrus organizations working in the gray areas anyways

So what hechsherim do you eat?
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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #139 on: February 22, 2015, 10:06:19 AM »
They think the OU is lying? How can you rely on their kashrus at all then?
+1.
I've spoken to people in the OU and they say it's the same.
I'll take their word for it.  And it just reinforced my belief that much of the rumors in Israel are politically based.
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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #140 on: February 22, 2015, 11:30:06 AM »


+1.
I've spoken to people in the OU and they say it's the same.
I'll take their word for it.  And it just reinforced my belief that much of the rumors in Israel are politically based.

Do you personally know the people you spoke to? I know and have spoken to many of the top individuals in the OU and while they insist it's the same, as soon as I ask for an of the record statement the entire picture changes. 
So it's quite to the contrary, the reason why you are told it's the same is politically based.

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #141 on: February 22, 2015, 11:33:39 AM »

Do you personally know the people you spoke to? I know and have spoken to many of the top individuals in the OU and while they insist it's the same, as soon as I ask for an of the record statement the entire picture changes. 
So it's quite to the contrary, the reason why you are told it's the same is politically based.

There are many shades of truth.

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #142 on: February 22, 2015, 11:33:46 AM »
+1.
I've spoken to people in the OU and they say it's the same.
I'll take their word for it.  And it just reinforced my belief that much of the rumors in Israel are politically based.
I spoke to someone heavily involved with the OU today. He said that although the policies are the same since OU Israel is run by Americans who have no clue how to deal with Israelis and Arabs there is no saying that those policies are enforced in Israel. In America, when a store has a policy it has a policy in Israel policies mean cr@p

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #143 on: February 22, 2015, 11:34:51 AM »

Do you personally know the people you spoke to? I know and have spoken to many of the top individuals in the OU and while they insist it's the same, as soon as I ask for an of the record statement the entire picture changes. 
So it's quite to the contrary, the reason why you are told it's the same is politically based.

+1 on record they cannot say anything negative or it will come to bite them

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #144 on: February 22, 2015, 11:44:22 AM »
+1 on record they cannot say anything negative or it will come to bite them
Trusting all these people who won't speak on the record?
I'm not saying they aren't speaking the truth necessarily. Just pointing out why again there is no black and white.
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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #145 on: February 22, 2015, 04:45:26 PM »
Any possibility on starting s/t similar in the US?
I've spoken to a few Rabbanim that are heavily involved in hechsheirim, All are of the staunch opinion that the reliable hashgachos in America are way more efficient, and much better than most hashgachos in israel! (sans badatz, landau etc..) and they are actually reliable! Therefore they don't see a need for such a program there.

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #146 on: February 22, 2015, 04:48:24 PM »
I spoke to someone heavily involved with the OU today. He said that although the policies are the same since OU Israel is run by Americans who have no clue how to deal with Israelis and Arabs there is no saying that those policies are enforced in Israel. In America, when a store has a policy it has a policy in Israel policies mean cr@p
+1 I've spoken to mashgichim at ou restaurants here in israel, alot of the products they use are extremely questionable!!
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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #147 on: February 22, 2015, 05:20:06 PM »
Glad this thread is readable and not popcorn inducing.

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #148 on: February 22, 2015, 05:35:17 PM »
There were a bunch of these types of things here and there in America. Every single one of them ended up being for profit and some became mafias. Arvach arva tzarich. Eventually many people learned that they were better off strengthening the existing ones rather than weakening them.
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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #149 on: February 22, 2015, 06:27:36 PM »
I spoke to someone heavily involved with the OU today. He said that although the policies are the same since OU Israel is run by Americans who have no clue how to deal with Israelis and Arabs there is no saying that those policies are enforced in Israel. In America, when a store has a policy it has a policy in Israel policies mean cr@p
I was told the same by A very high position Rabbi of the OU, he told me to stay far away.