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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2015, 02:52:17 AM »


Welcome to Israel!
Would you prefer to be told you can't eat somewhere because the Hecsher they have is hit and miss or have someone check out that specific restaurant and tell you that it's okey?





sof sof KFI is basically another hechsher
Precisely.  It irks me that they claim not to be

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2015, 02:56:57 AM »
Sheyan hasn't changed their kashrus in years. Sounds more like they upgraded themselves by paying a protection charge to a mafia.

I don't know the details of this story but I get suspicious when someone won't identify himself by his name but only by the title Rabbi. Being a respectable figure is like being a lady - if you have to tell people you're a lady you're probably not.
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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2015, 02:58:42 AM »
But sof sof KFI is basically another hechsher
The issue with Eisav was that he tries to falsely portray himself as a tzaddik.
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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2015, 02:59:24 AM »




I don't know the details of this story
I can tell

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2015, 03:01:58 AM »
I can tell
Considering I said it myself all it takes is knowing how to read
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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2015, 03:13:40 AM »
Sheyan hasn't changed their kashrus in years. Sounds more like they upgraded themselves by paying a protection charge to a mafia.

I don't know the details of this story but I get suspicious when someone won't identify himself by his name but only by the title Rabbi. Being a respectable figure is like being a lady - if you have to tell people you're a lady you're probably not.
Don't go ahead with "matter of fact" reporting on sheyans kashrus and then go on to state you don't know the story

Leave that for FM

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2015, 07:30:25 AM »
sounds like another kosher tax to me
Where does it say that resturants have to pay for this service?

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2015, 07:38:37 AM »
Where does it say that resturants have to pay for this service?
i was under the impression they dont

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2015, 07:43:25 AM »
i was under the impression they dont
Me too
sounds like another kosher tax to me
What's he referring to?

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2015, 07:48:43 AM »
What's he referring to?
sounds like a voice from he peanut gallery

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2015, 07:48:58 AM »
i was under the impression they dont




But sof sof KFI is basically another free hechsher

Ftfm
I guess that's not so bad - it's a governing board for all other hechsheirim

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #26 on: February 05, 2015, 07:54:47 AM »
Sheyan hasn't changed their kashrus in years. Sounds more like they upgraded themselves by paying a protection charge to a mafia.

I don't know the details of this story but I get suspicious when someone won't identify himself by his name but only by the title Rabbi. Being a respectable figure is like being a lady - if you have to tell people you're a lady you're probably not.
From what I understand, Sheyan was using triangle k ingredients (many of the asian ingredients in israel are triangle k) and i heard that Keyara might have been using regular rabbanut lamb chops. KFI wouldnt approve of them until they kashered their kitchen.

As far as not identifying themselves, this is what R' Kuber had to say.

Mordechai Kuber
January 29, 2015 - 14:33 | Permalink
You are all correct that it is better if the Rabbanim would publicize their names. But one must understand that the culture here is not exactly American live-and-let-live. It is not impossible for a restaurateur who is losing business because he refuses to raise his standards to express his dissatisfaction in a hostile way. So we must respect the Rabbanim for taking the time and expending the effort to address a problem that is significant, even if they do not feel like dying a martyr’s death.
I know the Rabbanim involved, and they are all serious talmidei chachamim, with modest kashrus experience between them. Although I am not officially a member of KFI, they consult me on all kashrus matters. I believe that they have managed to establish high standards without getting involved in the politics of hashgachos, for which they are to be commended. They will be publishing their standards very soon, and the names of the first two restaurants who have met those standards, and the details of the kashrus there.
I realize that it would be great if they could already be at the finish line. But this is a work in progress, and they have moved forward patiently and with great attention to detail.
In the words of a great man long departed, “You have to crawl before you walk, and walk before you run.” Slowly and patiently this job will get done, and our community will finally have the opportunity to confidently eat out without guesswork and blissful ignorance. It is long in coming, and just a little more patience and some thoughtful understanding will get us to the finish line.

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2015, 09:17:29 AM »
From what I understand, Sheyan was using triangle k ingredients (many of the asian ingredients in israel are triangle k) and i heard that Keyara might have been using regular rabbanut lamb chops. KFI wouldnt approve of them until they kashered their kitchen.

As far as not identifying themselves, this is what R' Kuber had to say.

Mordechai Kuber
January 29, 2015 - 14:33 | Permalink
You are all correct that it is better if the Rabbanim would publicize their names. But one must understand that the culture here is not exactly American live-and-let-live. It is not impossible for a restaurateur who is losing business because he refuses to raise his standards to express his dissatisfaction in a hostile way. So we must respect the Rabbanim for taking the time and expending the effort to address a problem that is significant, even if they do not feel like dying a martyr’s death.
I know the Rabbanim involved, and they are all serious talmidei chachamim, with modest kashrus experience between them. Although I am not officially a member of KFI, they consult me on all kashrus matters. I believe that they have managed to establish high standards without getting involved in the politics of hashgachos, for which they are to be commended. They will be publishing their standards very soon, and the names of the first two restaurants who have met those standards, and the details of the kashrus there.
I realize that it would be great if they could already be at the finish line. But this is a work in progress, and they have moved forward patiently and with great attention to detail.
In the words of a great man long departed, “You have to crawl before you walk, and walk before you run.” Slowly and patiently this job will get done, and our community will finally have the opportunity to confidently eat out without guesswork and blissful ignorance. It is long in coming, and just a little more patience and some thoughtful understanding will get us to the finish line.
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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #28 on: February 05, 2015, 09:19:32 AM »
What's he referring to?

sounds like a voice from he peanut gallery

My comment represents my general mistrust of the kasharus industry, and the undue financial burden that it puts on the jewish public

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #29 on: February 05, 2015, 09:20:42 AM »
My comment represents my general mistrust of the kasharus industry, and the undue financial burden that it puts on the jewish public
And who do you think is to blame?