KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel

[Emkay]

How do you get on there email list?

Yes, how to get on their list?

Email them at kfiisrael@gmail.com.

[sammy n]

Email them at kfiisrael@gmail.com.

Thanx.

[yochiek93]

update: kfi did not remove themselves from shiyan and keiara they said if you dont change from the aguda then we will and now they are looking into some other hechsherim

[Emkay]

update: kfi did not remove themselves from shiyan and keiara they said if you dont change from the aguda then we will and now they are looking into some other hechsherim

Classic hashgocha blackmail. Anyways they won't find anyone better unless they do a severe overhaul of all ingredients which I can't see happening anytime soon

[Drago]

update: kfi did not remove themselves from shiyan and keiara they said if you dont change from the aguda then we will and now they are looking into some other hechsherim

What's the matter with Aguda?

[Chaikel]

What's the matter with Aguda?

For starters, when they were told that the mashgiach wasn't allowed in the machsan and felt "intimidated" to walk into the kitchen, Aguda's response was "What's the worst that could be going on?"

[yochiek93]

Classic hashgocha blackmail. Anyways they won't find anyone better unless they do a severe overhaul of all ingredients which I can't see happening anytime soon

What's the blackmail all KFI wants is that it should be up to a good kashrus there is no money involved

[Emkay]

What's the blackmail all KFI wants is that it should be up to a good kashrus there is no money involved

One question. Why did they approve it while it was under aguda and then decide its not good enough?

[yochiek93]

One question. Why did they approve it while it was under aguda and then decide its not good enough?

They went down and checked and said it was good but came down recently and saw that it wasn't what they thought

[Drago]

For starters, when they were told that the mashgiach wasn't allowed in the machsan and felt "intimidated" to walk into the kitchen, Aguda's response was "What's the worst that could be going on?"

So they didn't realize that Aguda's standards werent what they expected?
I'd have assumed that they would have been familiar w/ their standards, unless Aguda just downgraded.

[Emkay]

They went down and checked and said it was good but came down recently and saw that it wasn't what they thought

I hope KFI isn't that incompetent

[Chaikel]

I don't believe KFI officially recommended it, they just state the facts

[Emkay]

I don't believe KFI officially recommended it, they just state the facts

this whole KFI thing still confuses me, are they trying to make things simpler for Americans who care about kashrus? so what is telling me whats inside without telling me if its good doing? and at the end of the day when they come out with a report about a restaurant they are recommending it (albeit unofficially). lets cut the crap-they are acting like a hechser with a heck of a lot of disclaimers to keep them out of hot water

[Chaikel]

this whole KFI thing still confuses me, are they trying to make things simpler for Americans who care about kashrus? so what is telling me whats inside without telling me if its good doing? and at the end of the day when they come out with a report about a restaurant they are recommending it (albeit unofficially). lets cut the crap-they are acting like a hechser with a heck of a lot of disclaimers to keep them out of hot water

Officially it's so that you can bring the report to your [American] rov, who can advise you

[Emkay]

Officially it's so that you can bring the report to your [American] rov, who can advise you

So lets say that this is true that KFI doesn't want them to have aguda anymore, what will KFI do? The report is exactly the same there is nothing to change.

[Chaikel]

So lets say that this is true that KFI doesn't want them to have aguda anymore, what will KFI do? The report is exactly the same there is nothing to change.

Correct. I don't know where this information is coming from, but I assume if it's accurate, it is the Rabbis of KFI who are pressuring, not the KFI per se. As Rabbi Weiner says, the purpose of KFI is to increase the number of places that Bnei Torah can eat at, not diminish

[Drago]

lets cut the crap-they are acting like a hechser with a heck of a lot of disclaimers to keep them out of hot water

Hey buddy, would be a shame for something to happen to the pretty apartment you live in...

[yochiek93]

Correct. I don't know where this information is coming from, but I assume if it's accurate, it is the Rabbis of KFI who are pressuring, not the KFI per se. As Rabbi Weiner says, the purpose of KFI is to increase the number of places that Bnei Torah can eat at, not diminish

+1

[chuchem]

I must say agudah is around for long enough, so kfi first saying it's standards are good (stop saying they didn't do that) and then within a short while changing it's tone leaves me wondering if they did the homework

While I am sure intentions are good, I am not sure a few choshuwe 'wanna be kashrus experts' can be relied on, as this quick u-turn has showed

[yochiek93]

I must say agudah is around for long enough, so kfi first saying it's standards are good (stop saying they didn't do that) and then within a short while changing it's tone leaves me wondering if they did the homework

While I am sure intentions are good, I am not sure a few choshuwe 'wanna be kashrus experts' can be relied on, as this quick u-turn has showed

do you even know who the rabbonim on kfi even are to speak like that besides they didnt say that the agudah was good they said for those 2 restaurants you can rely on them because they are up to the standards that we hold of but they really didnt hold up to those standards thats  why all this came out