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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #30 on: February 05, 2015, 09:23:55 AM »
My comment represents my general mistrust of the kasharus industry, and the undue financial burden that it puts on the jewish public
right, because a mashgiach sitting in a restauarant doesnt charge for his time

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #31 on: February 05, 2015, 09:24:24 AM »
My comment represents my general mistrust of the kasharus industry, and the undue financial burden that it puts on the jewish public
I think that if you would go through real numbers you would find that it doesn't place the burden you think and that what it does isn't as undue as you think
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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #32 on: February 05, 2015, 09:24:51 AM »
i was under the impression they dont yet
FTFY
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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #34 on: February 05, 2015, 09:26:14 AM »

sounds like another kosher tax to me

Possibly. But they are catering to the wants of the people. Can't blame them.

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #35 on: February 05, 2015, 09:26:55 AM »
Sheyan hasn't changed their kashrus in years. Sounds more like they upgraded themselves by paying a protection charge to a mafia.

I don't know the details of this story but I get suspicious when someone won't identify himself by his name but only by the title Rabbi.
They haven't changed the Hashgacha but they have changed some of the following: The Hachshrim they allow into the store, the way the Mashgiach and staff operate, the way they Kasher liver, the way certain products are marked and stored, the way vegetables are washed and checked, the amount of time there is a Mashgiach in the kitchen, etc'

See the difference?

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #36 on: February 05, 2015, 09:29:25 AM »
They haven't changed the Hashgacha but they have changed some of the following: The Hachshrim they allow into the store, the way the Mashgiach and staff operate, the way they Kasher liver, the way certain products are marked and stored, the way vegetables are washed and checked, the amount of time there is a Mashgiach in the kitchen, etc'

See the difference?
How is that not changing it?

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #37 on: February 05, 2015, 09:36:34 AM »
How is that not changing it?
hashgacha as in supervising agency

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #38 on: February 05, 2015, 09:49:19 AM »
And who do you think is to blame?
I know my answer wont satisfy you but the short answer is "the rabbis"
I think that many rabbis (even without realizing they are doing so) enrich and empower themselves and their colleagues by pushing stricter and stricter standards.  I think that the system is rigged that only 'rabbis' that push a chumradik agenda can come to any real power.  I think that this corruption is not only in kasharus but in gayrus, stznus and many other areas of everyday jewish life.

as an example I dont believe there has been any major leniency in kasharus since Chalov stam, and from what I've heard r' Moshe's sons have distanced them selves from that ruling.

I think that there is no true jewish leadership



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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #39 on: February 05, 2015, 09:51:30 AM »
I know my answer wont satisfy you but the short answer is "the rabbis"
I think that many rabbis (even without realizing they are doing so) enrich and empower themselves and their colleagues by pushing stricter and stricter standards.  I think that the system is rigged that only 'rabbis' that push a chumradik agenda can come to any real power.  I think that this corruption is not only in kasharus but in gayrus, stznus and many other areas of everyday jewish life.

as an example I dont believe there has been any major leniency in kasharus since Chalov stam, and from what I've heard r' Moshe's sons have distanced them selves from that ruling.

I think that there is no true jewish leadership
No comment on your statement but based on what you wrote I'm confident I can pick you out of a lineup any day

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #40 on: February 05, 2015, 09:54:05 AM »
based on what you wrote I'm confident I can pick you out of a lineup any day

I dont know that that means. Am i going to be arrested for challenging the supremacy of the rabbinate?

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #41 on: February 05, 2015, 09:54:51 AM »
hashgacha as in supervising agency
+1 the Kasrus logo

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #42 on: February 05, 2015, 09:55:12 AM »
I dont know that that means. Am i going to be arrested for challenging the supremacy of the rabbinate?
It means that I can see what kind of individual you are and it's not worth arguing with your genre

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #43 on: February 05, 2015, 09:57:26 AM »
It means that I can see what kind of individual you are and it's not worth arguing with your genre
Well said

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #44 on: February 05, 2015, 09:58:04 AM »
I know my answer wont satisfy you but the short answer is "the rabbis"
I think that many rabbis (even without realizing they are doing so) enrich and empower themselves and their colleagues by pushing stricter and stricter standards.  I think that the system is rigged that only 'rabbis' that push a chumradik agenda can come to any real power.  I think that this corruption is not only in kasharus but in gayrus, stznus and many other areas of everyday jewish life.

as an example I dont believe there has been any major leniency in kasharus since Chalov stam, and from what I've heard r' Moshe's sons have distanced them selves from that ruling.

I think that there is no true jewish leadership
-1000
I know of many Rabanin who are very mikel within the confines of Halacha.
Not every Rav that wont give you a "kula" for everything you want to do is a machmir.
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