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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #300 on: October 13, 2015, 03:01:35 AM »
What profit?? R Weiner is paying out of his own pocket for the mashgiach!
uh huh....

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #301 on: October 13, 2015, 03:15:33 AM »

BH in the Frum community some people do chesed just for the sake of helping others

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #302 on: October 13, 2015, 03:19:36 AM »
uh huh....
Ah so you mean R Weiner is lying??

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #303 on: October 13, 2015, 03:40:34 AM »
What profit?? R Weiner is paying out of his own pocket for the mashgiach!
-1 The restaurant has to pay the Mashgiach separately from the Hashgacha either way, So they are paying this Mashgiach through Rabbi Weiner, so that he can stay on top of him, being that he holds his paycheck.

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #304 on: October 13, 2015, 03:42:24 AM »
And as a side point, Quite a few big gevirim offered Rabbi Weiner to cover any expenses it would take to make Sheyan/Keyara Kosher.

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #305 on: October 13, 2015, 04:01:35 AM »
-1 The restaurant has to pay the Mashgiach separately from the Hashgacha either way, So they are paying this Mashgiach through Rabbi Weiner, so that he can stay on top of him, being that he holds his paycheck.
Wrong. Besides agudahs mashgiach R Weiner has and pays another mashgiach nothing to do with the restaurant.

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #306 on: October 13, 2015, 04:02:19 AM »
And as a side point, Quite a few big gevirim offered Rabbi Weiner to cover any expenses it would take to make Sheyan/Keyara Kosher.
Ok that still doesn't make it a profitable org.

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #307 on: October 13, 2015, 04:04:09 AM »
Wrong. Besides agudahs mashgiach R Weiner has and pays another mashgiach nothing to do with the restaurant.
They got rid of Aguda's Mashgiach some time ago, being that he was unreliable. I think Rabbi Weiner's Mashgiach is the only Mashgiach there now.

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #308 on: October 13, 2015, 04:05:22 AM »
Ok that still doesn't make it a profitable org.
100% my point was that Rabbi Weiner would not have to pay out of his pocket, not that it would make it profitable. Although I don't think he took anyone up on their offer...

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #309 on: October 13, 2015, 04:07:06 AM »
They got rid of Aguda's Mashgiach some time ago, being that he was unreliable. I think Rabbi Weiner's Mashgiach is the only Mashgiach there now.
-1 they currently have their own mashgiach.

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #312 on: October 13, 2015, 05:52:05 AM »
#Sarcasm
Baseless sarcasm about issues like this are uncalled for. If your gonna be cynical,have something to back it up

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #313 on: October 13, 2015, 05:54:38 AM »
Baseless sarcasm about issues like this are uncalled for. If your gonna be cynical,have something to back it up

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #314 on: October 13, 2015, 07:10:04 AM »
so there are currently 2 mashgichim there? seems odd

and does this apply to both sheyan and keyara? was there ever two separate mashgichim for them?

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #315 on: October 13, 2015, 07:45:30 AM »
Baseless sarcasm about issues like this are uncalled for. If your gonna be cynical,have something to back it up
Please tell me in what universe would any sound person pay money out of his pocket to help a restaurant make money that he has no personal vested interest nor has the cash flow.
Ah so you mean R Weiner is lying??
You said his son said it. Maybe his son thinks that's the case but my money is that it's not

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #316 on: October 13, 2015, 08:09:57 AM »
Please tell me in what universe would any sound person pay money out of his pocket to help a restaurant make money that he has no personal vested interest nor has the cash flow.You said his son said it. Maybe his son thinks that's the case but my money is that it's not
First of all maybe it's for the sake of Kashrus, not to help the restaurant make money. And secondly I don't believe he is paying money out of his own pocket.

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #317 on: October 13, 2015, 10:16:58 AM »
First of all maybe it's for the sake of Kashrus, not to help the restaurant make money. And secondly I don't believe he is paying money out of his own pocket.
For the sake of kashrus he can tell people not to eat there. No need to pay a salary.
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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #318 on: October 13, 2015, 10:55:17 AM »
For the sake of kashrus he can tell people not to eat there. No need to pay a salary.
The entire point of KFI is to tell people where they can eat, not where they can't. R' Senter started it to increase the number of restaurants where Americans are allowed to eat
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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #319 on: October 13, 2015, 11:25:08 AM »
The entire point of KFI is to tell people where they can eat, not where they can't. R' Senter started it to increase the number of restaurants where Americans are allowed to eat
Is having more places to eat in a restaurant for the sake of kashrus or for the sake of taavos?
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