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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #60 on: February 09, 2015, 02:03:58 PM »
FWIW The Star K tried doing a similar thing years ago. It fell through at last moment when they sent someone around and for some reason every Mashgiach was in the hospital that day. There is a serious issue with the lazy work ethic in Israel.
Rav Heineman ended up swallowing the losses

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #61 on: February 09, 2015, 02:33:25 PM »
Whoever thinks they're are not charging for this service is very naive... and wrong
They have someone sponsoring! no charging!

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #62 on: February 09, 2015, 02:34:47 PM »
FWIW The Star K tried doing a similar thing years ago. It fell through at last moment when they sent someone around and for some reason every Mashgiach was in the hospital that day. There is a serious issue with the lazy work ethic in Israel.
Rav Heineman ended up swallowing the losses
I heard Rabbi Heineman was very troubled by the widespread Bishul Akum problems.

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #63 on: February 09, 2015, 02:38:38 PM »
Whoever thinks they're are not charging for this service is very naive... and wrong
Speculation or definitive knowledge?

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #64 on: February 09, 2015, 02:44:22 PM »
Speculation or definitive knowledge?
Definitive knowledge that they do not, nor do they plan on charging! its solely to make the american consumer aware of the shortcomings in the israeli kashrus industry, which would therefore hopefully put a pressure on the eateries to offer a better product.

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #65 on: February 09, 2015, 03:31:21 PM »
Whoever thinks they're are not charging for this service is very naive... and wrong
Whoever thinks they are charging for this service is very naive... and wrong

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #66 on: February 09, 2015, 04:17:59 PM »
Speculation or definitive knowledge?
Both
I heard Rabbi Heineman was very troubled by the widespread Bishul Akum problems.
That was part of the reason they made the Hechsher and fixed it. Stilll don't think they will be successful, but who knows...

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #67 on: February 09, 2015, 04:19:11 PM »
Definitive knowledge that they do not, nor do they plan on charging! its solely to make the american consumer aware of the shortcomings in the israeli kashrus industry, which would therefore hopefully put a pressure on the eateries to offer a better product.
Whoever thinks they are charging for this service is very naive... and wrong
הרבה רצו לעשות כן ולא עלתה בידם
Therefore:
Whoever thinks they're are not charging for this service is very naive... and wrong
at least in the future
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used to start a religious discussion.

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #68 on: February 09, 2015, 04:20:17 PM »


Both



Definitive knowledge that they do not, nor do they plan on charging!

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #69 on: February 09, 2015, 04:54:40 PM »
I know my answer wont satisfy you but the short answer is "the rabbis"
I think that many rabbis (even without realizing they are doing so) enrich and empower themselves and their colleagues by pushing stricter and stricter standards.  I think that the system is rigged that only 'rabbis' that push a chumradik agenda can come to any real power.  I think that this corruption is not only in kasharus but in gayrus, stznus and many other areas of everyday jewish life.



Which leniency do you, with your great scholarship in the relevant sections of Shulchan Oruch, believe should be allowed by the Rabbis?

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as an example I dont believe there has been any major leniency in kasharus since Chalov stam, and from what I've heard r' Moshe's sons have distanced them selves from that ruling.

I think that there is no true jewish leadership

What, in your opinion, is the acceptable rate per year that True Jewish Leadership should issue major leniencies  in kashrus?

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #70 on: February 09, 2015, 05:41:07 PM »
Do they plan on sitting down with the management of the food establishments and then giving their approval or disapproval?
 Or is their position based on how they perceive the situation and what the owner claims or says is not important to them ?


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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #71 on: February 09, 2015, 06:02:38 PM »
I believe the plan is to inspect the kitchens, and let people know of their findings. People can make their own decisions based upon that. But the point is for there to be an element of awareness.  And hopefully this will cause eateries to up their Kashrus standard. But KFI is not a hashgacha! Nor are they telling eateries what to do!
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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #72 on: February 09, 2015, 06:16:34 PM »
Do they plan on sitting down with the management of the food establishments and then giving their approval or disapproval?
 Or is their position based on how they perceive the situation and what the owner claims or says is not important to them ?
They are very keen on working with the owners in order to raise the level of kasrus to an acceptable standard. This benefits the owners by having more people who are willing to eat there.

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #73 on: February 11, 2015, 05:40:17 AM »
if this does take off- we would see a more transparent kashrus situation. There is so many different opinions on what is good and what is not recommended that if a outside unbiased inspection came in and looked things over and reported it as is. This would be a great service. If i remains unbiased, and it does not charge. From what i would venture to say, most mehadrin restaurant owners are not using that standard due to their personal standards- but rather as a marketing tactic to gain more customers. With that in mind there should be no reason for them to object to raising their standards if it will be published to the english speaking crowds that they so much want to impress.

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #74 on: February 11, 2015, 12:57:27 PM »
Well, it seems that many restaurants ( mostly in Mamila area) said that they are not interested and that they don't think that the few hundred ppl who care will affect their business...