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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #75 on: February 11, 2015, 01:01:20 PM »
Well, it seems that many restaurants ( mostly in Mamila area) said that they are not interested and that they don't think that the few hundred ppl who care will affect their business...
not interested in meeting minimal american standards? sad indeed...

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #76 on: February 11, 2015, 01:03:49 PM »
Well, it seems that many restaurants ( mostly in Mamila area) said that they are not interested and that they don't think that the few hundred ppl who care will affect their business...
I don't necessarily care for KFI but a store that doesn't agree to minimum standards that they officially have to keep anyways according to their hasgochos isn't saying did things about them.
Unless they just don't want to be bothered by every random kashrus startup

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #77 on: February 11, 2015, 03:52:29 PM »
Well, it seems that many restaurants ( mostly in Mamila area) said that they are not interested and that they don't think that the few hundred ppl who care will affect their business...
Have you been to Mamilla on a Motzei Shabbos?

As a business owner I would cooperate

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #78 on: February 11, 2015, 03:57:05 PM »
Have you been to Mamilla on a Motzei Shabbos?

As a business owner I would cooperate
Unless you really have something to hide. ..

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #79 on: February 11, 2015, 06:14:33 PM »
or are following this thread...

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #80 on: February 11, 2015, 06:54:33 PM »
Unless they just don't want to be bothered by every random kashrus startup
That. Would you?
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used to start a religious discussion.

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #81 on: February 11, 2015, 07:10:53 PM »
That. Would you?
If it made a difference to my business, I would.
BTW the owner of Kiara and Shyan is the one that reached out to KFI after he saw a big dip in customers following a shiur by one of the KFI rabanim mentioning the kashrus problems there. 

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #82 on: February 11, 2015, 09:12:56 PM »
If it made a difference to my business, I would.
BTW the owner of Kiara and Shyan is the one that reached out to KFI after he saw a big dip in customers following a shiur by one of the KFI rabanim mentioning the kashrus problems there.
Of course. Whether that happens to a random place without known issues remains to be seen. As such if I were a business owner who already pays a hechsher to ensure that my kashrus is up to par why would I want someone else poking around in my kitchen who can only cause problems. That is what happened with the first restaurants. They let someone poke around who started making problems by publicizing supposed issues. Now they have an extra headache. An owner who does not let them in does not mean he has something to hide. I would not want to let them in either because it would make running my kitchen difficult. Only with threats of telling everyone that I am giving something and other mafia tactics would force me to.
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used to start a religious discussion.

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #83 on: February 12, 2015, 02:35:57 AM »


They let someone poke around who started making problems by publicizing supposed issues.
When will it stop being"supposed" issues?  The owner agreed yet your still in denial?

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #84 on: February 12, 2015, 03:33:18 AM »
So basically when all is said and done an establishment having a hechsher in Israel really doesn't mean anything?
"Not all who wander are lost"

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #85 on: February 12, 2015, 03:34:39 AM »
So basically when all is said and done an establishment having a hechsher in Israel really doesn't mean anything?
Shortened version: incorrect

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #86 on: February 12, 2015, 07:03:47 AM »
Of course. Whether that happens to a random place without known issues remains to be seen. As such if I were a business owner who already pays a hechsher to ensure that my kashrus is up to par why would I want someone else poking around in my kitchen who can only cause problems. That is what happened with the first restaurants. They let someone poke around who started making problems by publicizing supposed issues. Now they have an extra headache. An owner who does not let them in does not mean he has something to hide. I would not want to let them in either because it would make running my kitchen difficult. Only with threats of telling everyone that I am giving something and other mafia tactics would force me to.
Do you keep Kosher?

If yes why don't you take it seriously?

If a restaurant did not let the health inspector in to the kitchen would you also say he has nothing to hide and doesn't wasn't someone in his kitchen "who can only cause problems"

As an orthodox Jew I have never eaten in a Non-Kosher establishment. I pay more for my food from groceries to restaurants for one reason and one reason only, to make sure that that the kashrus that I strongly keep to are up to par.

You cannot understand the frustration finding out that a restaurant that I love and have been many times did not allow a Rov into their kitchens because it can only cause problems

Thats why I support KFI

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #87 on: February 12, 2015, 07:16:36 AM »
So basically when all is said and done an establishment having a hechsher in Israel really doesn't mean anything?
Well obviously that's gonna depend on which hashgacha your referring to.

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #88 on: February 12, 2015, 08:56:18 AM »
When will it stop being"supposed" issues?  The owner agreed yet your still in denial?

I never heard of the restaurant or the issues to admit or deny them.
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used to start a religious discussion.

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #89 on: February 12, 2015, 09:02:31 AM »
I never heard of the restaurant or the issues to admit or deny them.
so WTH are you spewing like you know?
That is what happened with the first restaurants. They let someone poke around who started making problems by publicizing supposed issues. Now they have an extra headache.