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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #90 on: February 12, 2015, 09:06:09 AM »
Do you keep Kosher?

If yes why don't you take it seriously?
I will ignore the inuendo and leave it that taking kashrus seriously does not need to mean creating a mafia but instead relying on good hechsherim. If the hechsher is good then the mafia is unneeded and if it is no good then it won't help.
If a restaurant did not let the health inspector in to the kitchen would you also say he has nothing to hide and doesn't wasn't someone in his kitchen "who can only cause problems"
VERY bad analogy. How about this case. Let's take an establishment which passed all health inspections perfectly and hired its own outside health consultant as well which also certifies the wholesomeness of the establishment. They are now approached by a group of health freaks who say let us check out your kitchen and poke in when we want to. We will then give you a list of things to fix and if you don't fix them we will publicize that your food causes cancer. If you don't let us in we will say that you must have something to hide.
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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #91 on: February 12, 2015, 09:07:18 AM »
so WTH are you spewing like you know?
I am purely replying to what has been presented in this thread.
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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #92 on: February 12, 2015, 01:19:35 PM »
I will ignore the inuendo and leave it that taking kashrus seriously does not need to mean creating a mafia but instead relying on good hechsherim. If the hechsher is good then the mafia is unneeded and if it is no good then it won't help.VERY bad analogy. How about this case. Let's take an establishment which passed all health inspections perfectly and hired its own outside health consultant as well which also certifies the wholesomeness of the establishment. They are now approached by a group of health freaks who say let us check out your kitchen and poke in when we want to. We will then give you a list of things to fix and if you don't fix them we will publicize that your food causes cancer. If you don't let us in we will say that you must have something to hide.
"Very bad analogy"
You are comparing a group that will spread that a certain restaurants food causes cancer and a group that tells their people to be carful and which restaurants they approve of

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #93 on: February 12, 2015, 02:43:50 PM »
"Very bad analogy"
You are comparing a group that will spread that a certain restaurants food causes cancer and a group that tells their people to be carful and which restaurants they approve of

WHich do you consider worse.

My point is that there is already a hechsher. THEY ARE INSPECTED. You are asking them to pile more inspections over that and end up with too many cooks spoiling the broth.
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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #94 on: February 12, 2015, 02:47:20 PM »
Hechshers needing more hechshers?
And who is going to watch over KFI?
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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #95 on: February 12, 2015, 02:51:01 PM »
Hechshers needing more hechshers?
And who is going to watch over KFI?
They claim not to be a hasgacha they are alerting you and you decide

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #96 on: February 12, 2015, 03:35:26 PM »
Mr. Aygart: FWIU They are taking restaurants with lower hashgachos that are not reliable on their own and reporting on specific locations that the actual Mashgiach is reliable and letting you know what Hashgachos the ingredients are under.
P.S. Before I get flack, yes, there are many issues with "Aguda"

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #97 on: February 12, 2015, 03:43:04 PM »
Mr. Aygart: FWIU They are taking restaurants with lower hashgachos that are not reliable on their own and reporting on specific locations that the actual Mashgiach is reliable and letting you know what Hashgachos the ingredients are under.
P.S. Before I get flack, yes, there are many issues with "Aguda"
So if the ingredients were good when they were inspected you would eat by them even though they have a sub-par hechsher? That is what this is for?
Do you keep Kosher?

If yes why don't you take it seriously?
Also, that isn't the way this has been presented in this thread.
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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #98 on: February 12, 2015, 04:35:02 PM »
Fwiu this whole thing came across mainly because us Americans don't seem to really know which hechsherim are great and "sub-par" as you called it.
Any many of us have been eating in certain places under certain hechsherim after "hearing from reliable sources" that it is ok.
When a rav was asked by Talmidim about going to sheyan/Keyara (where most ppl went until recently) , he decided to actually check it out before telling him it was ok... There was no intention at that point to make any "hechsher" out of it.
The problem was that they didnt let him in the kitchen and othe problems he found after speaking to te mashgiach. Again, He wasn't going in as new "hechsher" to find problems- he was going in as a guy trying to check out a place before eating there, asking te regular questions we all should be asking wherever we go!
That's how this whole KFI started- Fwiu (after speaking to the rav himself) .

He decided that even after we "heard" from OUR Rabanim which hechsherim are ok to eat- not always do they keep to their own written standards unfortunately... So the KFI is there to inform us that/if they are...

I hope I made some sense with what I wrote ...
It's getting real frustrating watching ppl that don't know anything about any of this comment on it...

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #99 on: February 12, 2015, 04:56:13 PM »
So if the ingredients were good when they were inspected you would eat by them even though they have a sub-par Hechsher?
If the Mahgiach was reliable? 100% I would eat at the WA, which has only a Rabanut, because I was told that the Masgiach is reliable and the ingredients are good.
(Normally I wouldn't touch Rabanut with a 10ft pole)

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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #100 on: February 12, 2015, 05:10:34 PM »
He decided that even after we "heard" from OUR Rabanim which hechsherim are ok to eat- not always do they keep to their own written standards unfortunately... So the KFI is there to inform us that/if they are...
Isn't a hechsher that doesn't keep to its standards by definition unreliable?
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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #101 on: February 12, 2015, 05:11:26 PM »
If the Mahgiach was reliable? 100% I would eat at the WA, which has only a Rabanut, because I was told that the Masgiach is reliable and the ingredients are good.
(Normally I wouldn't touch Rabanut with a 10ft pole)
I think you need to learn more about hechsherim and the food service industry.
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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #102 on: February 12, 2015, 08:45:06 PM »
I think you need to learn more about hechsherim and the food service industry.
I think you need to learn more about yidishkeit in general, and halacha specifically.
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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #103 on: February 12, 2015, 09:49:20 PM »
I think you need to learn more about yidishkeit in general, and halacha specifically.
Since I am sure you are writing this based upon substance please don't keep the substantive part to yourself.
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Re: KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel
« Reply #104 on: February 12, 2015, 10:22:17 PM »
If the Mahgiach was reliable? 100% I would eat at the WA, which has only a Rabanut, because I was told that the Masgiach is reliable and the ingredients are good.
(Normally I wouldn't touch Rabanut with a 10ft pole)
would you buy rabanut mehadrin meat/chicken?