KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel

[Emkay]

+1.
I've spoken to people in the OU and they say it's the same.
I'll take their word for it.  And it just reinforced my belief that much of the rumors in Israel are politically based.

Do you personally know the people you spoke to? I know and have spoken to many of the top individuals in the OU and while they insist it's the same, as soon as I ask for an of the record statement the entire picture changes. 
So it's quite to the contrary, the reason why you are told it's the same is politically based.

[Boruch999]

Do you personally know the people you spoke to? I know and have spoken to many of the top individuals in the OU and while they insist it's the same, as soon as I ask for an of the record statement the entire picture changes. 
So it's quite to the contrary, the reason why you are told it's the same is politically based.

There are many shades of truth.

[SamKey]

+1.
I've spoken to people in the OU and they say it's the same.
I'll take their word for it.  And it just reinforced my belief that much of the rumors in Israel are politically based.

I spoke to someone heavily involved with the OU today. He said that although the policies are the same since OU Israel is run by Americans who have no clue how to deal with Israelis and Arabs there is no saying that those policies are enforced in Israel. In America, when a store has a policy it has a policy in Israel policies mean cr@p

[SamKey]

Do you personally know the people you spoke to? I know and have spoken to many of the top individuals in the OU and while they insist it's the same, as soon as I ask for an of the record statement the entire picture changes. 
So it's quite to the contrary, the reason why you are told it's the same is politically based.

+1 on record they cannot say anything negative or it will come to bite them

[sky121]

+1 on record they cannot say anything negative or it will come to bite them

Trusting all these people who won't speak on the record?
I'm not saying they aren't speaking the truth necessarily. Just pointing out why again there is no black and white.

[elya]

Any possibility on starting s/t similar in the US?

I've spoken to a few Rabbanim that are heavily involved in hechsheirim, All are of the staunch opinion that the reliable hashgachos in America are way more efficient, and much better than most hashgachos in israel! (sans badatz, landau etc..) and they are actually reliable! Therefore they don't see a need for such a program there.

[elya]

I spoke to someone heavily involved with the OU today. He said that although the policies are the same since OU Israel is run by Americans who have no clue how to deal with Israelis and Arabs there is no saying that those policies are enforced in Israel. In America, when a store has a policy it has a policy in Israel policies mean cr@p

+1 I've spoken to mashgichim at ou restaurants here in israel, alot of the products they use are extremely questionable!!

[Moshe123]

Glad this thread is readable and not popcorn inducing.

[aygart]

There were a bunch of these types of things here and there in America. Every single one of them ended up being for profit and some became mafias. Arvach arva tzarich. Eventually many people learned that they were better off strengthening the existing ones rather than weakening them.

[Jkhein]

I spoke to someone heavily involved with the OU today. He said that although the policies are the same since OU Israel is run by Americans who have no clue how to deal with Israelis and Arabs there is no saying that those policies are enforced in Israel. In America, when a store has a policy it has a policy in Israel policies mean cr@p

I was told the same by A very high position Rabbi of the OU, he told me to stay far away.

[SamKey]

Trusting all these people who won't speak on the record?
I'm not saying they aren't speaking the truth necessarily. Just pointing out why again there is no black and white.

An employee of the ou will not speak out against the ou.

[sky121]

An employee of the ou will not speak out against the ou.

So they're working for a place that they don't believe holds to its claimed standards?

[SamKey]

So they're working for a place that they don't believe holds to its claimed standards?

No I spoke to a relative who works in the American OU and he personally is very pro everything ou (it's run properly and they do a good job) when I asked him about Israel he refused to comment

[sky121]

No I spoke to a relative who works in the American OU and he personally is very pro everything ou (it's run properly and they do a good job) when I asked him about Israel he refused to comment

That's exactly what I said. Their site claims the standards are on par. He seems to disagree with the statement his company puts out. However you look at it you get shady business or politics or the idea that kashrus is grey.
There is no answer at the end of what is true or not or what is "better" or not. 

[Tuna Baygel]

No I spoke to a relative who works in the American OU and he personally is very pro everything ou (it's run properly and they do a good job) when I asked him about Israel he refused to comment

You have your relative that wont talk and he has his acquaintance that will

Being on the forums for a while you should know that everyone has at least one opinion!



 

[moish]

id love to hear something concrete, r' krakowski seems like a capable individual

[SamKey]

id love to hear something concrete, r' krakowski seems like a capable individual

Talk to Rabbi Kuber
Anyhow, as mentioned earlier, the problem is not with the standards it's with the practical execution of the Hashgacha that many are not convinced some American is capable of. I can't wait to see if the KFI finds anything

[sky121]

Talk to Rabbi Kuber
Anyhow, as mentioned earlier, the problem is not with the standards it's with the practical execution of the Hashgacha that many are not convinced some American is capable of. I can't wait to see if the KFI finds anything

You can always find something.

[moish]

Talk to Rabbi Kuber

will do

[elya]

will do

Rabbi Kuber works for the OU. I wonder if he'll give you a concrete answer...
But I would definitely like to hear what he says.