KFI - Kashrus Watchdog in Israel

[Drago]

+1 why are people always so critical of an organization that wants to do good

I've got no horse in the race, but if I were a respected kashrus agency, and am losing biz b/c an unofficial org is saying not to rely on the places I supervise, I could imagine I wouldn't be too happy about it.

[moish]

I've got no horse in the race, but if I were a respected kashrus agency, and am losing biz b/c an unofficial org is saying not to rely on the places I supervise, I could imagine I wouldn't be too happy about it.

well, should an independent, not for profit organization kashrus organization say you are not reliable, it might be a wake up call that its only you who thinks you're respected

[yuneeq]

I've got no horse in the race, but if I were a respected kashrus agency, and am losing biz b/c an unofficial org is saying not to rely on the places I supervise, I could imagine I wouldn't be too happy about it.

And therefore what?
Hechsherim are trying to sell their product (the hechsher) to consumers, and we have no right to know what we're getting?

KFI is a consumer advocacy group and should be greatly appreciated by all consumers. Does it really bother you when an unreliable hechsher gets called out? As it stands right now, every single agency has room to improve.

Is that what you expect when you literally pay double for something like eida chicken?

[incendia]

And therefore what?
Hechsherim are trying to sell their product (the hechsher) to consumers, and we have no right to know what we're getting?

KFI is a consumer advocacy group and should be greatly appreciated by all consumers. Does it really bother you when an unreliable hechsher gets called out? As it stands right now, every single agency has room to improve.

Is that what you expect when you literally pay double for something like eida chicken?

Your analysis is 100% dead on, but the problem I have  is that people dont consume hechesher they consume food, and they want the hechsher to to be the ' consumer advocacy group ' that insures that their food is indeed kosher.

People dont understand why they need a  consumer advocacy group  on top of the  consumer advocacy group, it doesnt make sense.

In Isreal I think there should be dramatic change to how kashurus is handled, but I doubt that my plan would get any traction with anyone in the establishment.

[yochiek93]

And therefore what?
Hechsherim are trying to sell their product (the hechsher) to consumers, and we have no right to know what we're getting?

KFI is a consumer advocacy group and should be greatly appreciated by all consumers. Does it really bother you when an unreliable hechsher gets called out? As it stands right now, every single agency has room to improve.

Is that what you expect when you literally pay double for something like eida chicken?

+10000

In Isreal I think there should be dramatic change to how kashurus is handled, but I doubt that my plan would get any traction with anyone in the establishment.

what is your plan? (you never know)

[yuneeq]

Your analysis is 100% dead on, but the problem I have  is that people dont consume hechesher they consume food, and they want the hechsher to to be the ' consumer advocacy group ' that insures that their food is indeed kosher.

People dont understand why they need a  consumer advocacy group  on top of the  consumer advocacy group, it doesnt make sense.

In Isreal I think there should be dramatic change to how kashurus is handled, but I doubt that my plan would get any traction with anyone in the establishment.

I'd also like to believe that hechsherim fill the advocacy role, but unfortunately they don't.
How many restaurants have a full time mashgiach to ask questions about standards?
How many hechsherim publish their kashrut standards and answer questions to consumers that don't know the difference between the 15+ charedi hechsherim?

[incendia]

what is your plan? (you never know)

I would have hechsher done by a professional government bureaucracy. Similar to how health inspections are done at restaurants in NYC.

I think that is what the rabanut was supposed to be way back, but now IMO the Rabanut and most hechsharim are plagued by incompetence, corruption, and worst of all politics.

[yuneeq]

I would have hechsher done by a professional government bureaucracy. Similar to how health inspections are done at restaurants in NYC.

I think that is what the rabanut was supposed to be way back, but now IMO the Rabanut and most hechsharim are plagued by incompetence, corruption, and worst of all politics.

Huh?
Rabbanut is a (un)professional government bureaucracy.
Do we need another incompetent organization to take over?

[Emkay]

How many restaurants have a full time mashgiach to ask questions about standards?

Any restaurant with a "top of the line" hechser here

[Drago]

And therefore what?

I was simply responding to this question.
Not taking any stand on the matter.

+1 why are people always so critical of an organization that wants to do good

[yuneeq]

Any restaurant with a "top of the line" hechser here

Now let's hear, what do you consider a top of the line hechsher?
For example, I hear Eida has pretty primitive standards when it comes to actual supervision, relying very much on מירתת and other scare tactics. That might work for them, but it's not the same as a full time mashgiach.

[moish]

any updates with sheyan/keyara?

[yochiek93]

any updates with sheyan/keyara?

just spoke to r' shmuel weiner's son he said as of now they are both good, besides for the aguda they have another mashgiach that they trust

[sammy n]

just spoke to r' shmuel weiner's son he said as of now they are both good, besides for the aguda they have another mashgiach that they trust

Yes that mashgiach not sure if it still is but definitely was over succos, R Weiner son himself.

[yochiek93]

Yes that mashgiach not sure if it still is but definitely was over succos, R Weiner son himself.

his son told me up untill yesterday he was now they found someone and its good

[aygart]

just spoke to r' shmuel weiner's son he said as of now they are both good, besides for the aguda they have another mashgiach that they trust

Yes that mashgiach not sure if it still is but definitely was over succos, R Weiner son himself.

I don't think it was profitable. They're probably looking for a way to make profitable. 

just give it time. Anything else like this has always ended up going from doing good to doing well.

Stores do not pay KFI.

thats what everyones been saying all along except for one person who shall remain nameless that called us either naive or wrong

[sammy n]

Point?

[moish]

hes trying to say they are now a for profit since they installed their own mashgiach

[elya]

hes trying to say they are now a for profit since they installed their own mashgiach

Why is it so hard to believe that people would actually do something just for the sake of kashrus?!?

[sammy n]

hes trying to say they are now a for profit since they installed their own mashgiach

What profit?? R Weiner is paying out of his own pocket for the mashgiach!