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Author Topic: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs  (Read 71417 times)

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Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
« Reply #160 on: February 05, 2015, 03:41:41 PM »
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=25254.0
"If the blogger contributes something of value despite being beholden they'll likely be rewarded by their readers. Simple as that."

I guess this is the Thank You???? :o
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Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
« Reply #161 on: February 05, 2015, 03:42:23 PM »

If you restrict your hakaros hatov to "pure selfless giving" scenarios you will be dishing out very little of it. Not to get all philosophical but what makes something a favor? There's almost always something in it for the giver, even if it's just to feel better about themselves. imo!
well said, hakaras hatov has little to do with the sacrifices of the giver.

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Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
« Reply #162 on: February 05, 2015, 03:42:25 PM »
Another ludicrous claim. Whether or not anybody is ever 100% altruistic is as you say a philosophical question. What isn't philosophical is a basic distinction between a sale and a favor. If you'd permit yourself a bit of intellectual honesty you'd see that right away.

In a sale, actual money changes hands. On the spectrum of selfish, a sale is indeed further to the right than a favor which lacks money, I do grant you that. How's that for intellectual honestly :). I was the one who said earlier that money is the prime motivator behind all human behavior.

I am merely pointing out that a favor- which lacks a transference of money- there may exist a transference of other unquantifiable/intangible assets. It's not healthy to look at the world that way IMO, and better to appreciate everything you take enjoyment/pleasure out of than (almost) nothing.

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Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
« Reply #163 on: February 05, 2015, 03:44:09 PM »
In a sale, actual money changes hands. On the spectrum of selfish, a sale is indeed further to the right than a favor which lacks money, I do grant you that. How's that for intellectual honestly :). I was the one who said earlier that money is the prime motivator behind all human behavior.

I am merely pointing out that a favor- which lacks a transference of money- there may exist a transference of other unquantifiable/intangible assets. It's not healthy to look at the world that way IMO, and better to appreciate everything you take enjoyment/pleasure out of than (almost) nothing.
Indeed, someone who you keep getting favors from without repayment in kind is unlikely to keep doing them if they're not immediate family.

To think that hakaras hatov is only for pure altruism is poor chinuch and a poor worldview IMHO.
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Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
« Reply #164 on: February 05, 2015, 03:45:44 PM »
When a doctor heals me I have hakaras hatov.
When a teacher teaches me I have hakaras hatov.
When a business goes out of its way to accommodate a request of mine I have hakaras hatov.
When a waiter gives me good service I have hakaras hatov.
When my accountant does a good job on my taxes I have hakaras hatov.

The fact that all of those people are getting paid has nothing to do with it.  I mean that's really twisted.
No that's basic gratitude, not hakaras hatov. Who is the first person about which the concept of hakaras hatov is mentioend? Its Adam Harishon who's called a kafui tovah because Hashem gave him everything and he still did what he did. It's also mentioned about the relationship of a child to his parents. Show me where it says the concept of hakaras hatov anywhere in a business sense. The feelings of gratitude you mention are not hakaras hatov but basic human feelings by which you're thankful to someone who provided a service to you, the same way the doctor is grateful you came to him and not his competitor.

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Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
« Reply #165 on: February 05, 2015, 03:47:42 PM »
Sheesh you guys! We live in a free market society, if someone doesn't like the way Dan runs things feel free to ask for a refund of your AF (prorated of course)...

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Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
« Reply #166 on: February 05, 2015, 03:50:35 PM »
I'm going to go off track here for a min. Someone mentioned that there are great cards that Dan doesn't post on DDMS. I don't know if this is true or not, and even if it is I have no issue. His site he can post what he likes. But truly out of my own selfish desire can anyone put together a list of cards that are awesome that are not on DDMS. I will have true hakaores hatov to you - I promise. TIA.

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Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
« Reply #167 on: February 05, 2015, 03:51:18 PM »
Its Adam Harishon who's called a kafui tovah because Hashem gave him everything and he still did what he did.
I've got news for you.
G-d desired to dwell in this, the lowlist of all world he created, among mankind, doing his commandments. Indeed that was the whole purpose of creation.

So giving Adam everything wasn't 100% altruistic :P
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Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
« Reply #168 on: February 05, 2015, 03:52:03 PM »
I'm going to go off track here for a min. Someone mentioned that there are great cards that Dan doesn't post on DDMS. I don't know if this is true or not, and even if it is I have no issue. His site he can post what he likes. But truly out of my own selfish desire can anyone put together a list of cards that are awesome that are not on DDMS. I will have true hakaores hatov to you - I promise. TIA.
Just reed DDF. Everything under the sun has already been posted.
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Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
« Reply #169 on: February 05, 2015, 03:52:10 PM »
Indeed, someone who you keep getting favors from without repayment in kind is unlikely to keep doing them if they're not immediate family.

To think that hakaras hatov is only for pure altruism is poor chinuch and a poor worldview IMHO.
Hakaras hatov and gratitude to someone you exchange a service with is not the same thing. I mean seriously, do you have hakaras hatov to Verizon for providing you with phone service? What about Comcast for your cable or google for providing search capabilities? i mean come on , be honest. You can be happy they provide you with this but to claim you have real hakaras hatov to your phone company is not exactly believable.

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Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
« Reply #170 on: February 05, 2015, 03:52:44 PM »
Though i admit Dan is probably a good deal more altruistic than Chase is........
Then why do you compare them? He started as NFP, a lot of the stuff he does is still NFP and even when he does benefit, he has his readers' best interests in mind. If that doesn't deserve hakaras hatoiv, you surely don't deserve any for "enlightening" us.




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Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
« Reply #171 on: February 05, 2015, 03:53:00 PM »
Hakaras hatov and gratitude to someone you exchange a service with is not the same thing. I mean seriously, do you have hakaras hatov to Verizon for providing you with phone service? What about Comcast for your cable or google for providing search capabilities? i mean come on , be honest. You can be happy they provide you with this but to claim you have real hakaras hatov to your phone company is not exactly believable.

Do I, or should I?

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Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
« Reply #172 on: February 05, 2015, 03:53:19 PM »
Sheesh you guys! We live in a free market society, if someone doesn't like the way Dan runs things feel free to ask for a refund of your AF (prorated of course)...

exactly  --  it's all FREE! And, he helps us, too.
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« Reply #173 on: February 05, 2015, 03:54:11 PM »
I've got news for you.
G-d desired to dwell in this, the lowlist of all world he created, among mankind, doing his commandments. Indeed that was the whole purpose of creation.

So giving Adam everything wasn't 100% altruistic :P
That's definitely way too philosophical. Certainly to claim to understand the intentions of Hashem and to claim hashem created Adam for his won good is beyond the scope of this forum.

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Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
« Reply #174 on: February 05, 2015, 03:55:58 PM »
I'm compiling a list of people not to do business with here on DDF.  Thanks guys for being so open about your rotten natures.

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« Reply #175 on: February 05, 2015, 03:56:44 PM »
Do I, or should I?
Aha so you're actually claiming that I need to have hakaras hatov to Verizon.

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Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
« Reply #176 on: February 05, 2015, 03:57:27 PM »
I am shocked knowitall hasn't jumped on Dan for spelling reed wrong. 

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Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
« Reply #177 on: February 05, 2015, 03:58:53 PM »
I'm compiling a list of people not to do business with here on DDF.  Thanks guys for being so open about your rotten natures.
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Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
« Reply #178 on: February 05, 2015, 03:59:00 PM »
Just reed DDF. Everything under the sun has already been posted.

Keep getting side tracked by entertaining threads like this.

DDF has everything, but how do we (new - moderate ones) know which cards are awesome. Ritz-carlton worth it? PRG 50k offer? etc.?

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Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
« Reply #179 on: February 05, 2015, 03:59:46 PM »
I am shocked knowitall hasn't jumped on Dan for spelling reed wrong.

I think that was on purpose cmon dude