Author Topic: Premium Price Mistake ex-EU (DoT Will Not Force United To Honor Tickets) (Read 175721 times)

ranhan429 · « **Reply #1040 on:** February 16, 2015, 11:15:26 AM »

Quote from: Hershelsdeals on February 16, 2015, 11:11:48 AM

Going against the DOT ruling would be a terrible PR mistake.

Even those that side with UA in this case, would be up in arms if UA ignored the DOT ruling

Quote from: AJK on February 16, 2015, 11:09:49 AM

6 digit fine? Ha.

If it were that easy, UA would have already paid it. In cash.

A fine could be (from the latest I read) $27,000 per violation.

As AJK said I find it seriously hard to believe that DoT would fine UA such a little amount (did someone say 6 figures lol?) -- what would be the point of having a fine if the amount was so small that it made the law impractical so that companies could just break laws and pay minimal fines?

Toasted · « **Reply #1041 on:** February 16, 2015, 11:20:33 AM »

Quote from: ranhan429 on February 16, 2015, 11:15:26 AM

As AJK said I find it seriously hard to believe that DoT would fine UA such a little amount (did someone say 6 figures lol?) -- what would be the point of having a fine if the amount was so small that it made the law impractical so that companies could just break laws and pay minimal fines?

Not all government regulations make perfect sense you know. Especially in a case where they did not maliciously screw people. Dot may fine them for kicks but they dont deserve a whammy.

@Yehuda · « **Reply #1042 on:** February 16, 2015, 11:22:46 AM »

We all know what's really going to happen. Everyone's going to get an almost worthless $75 UA GC and then start selling them in Goods for Sale.

EJB · « **Reply #1043 on:** February 16, 2015, 11:23:00 AM »

My guess is UA voided the tickets to get them off the hook for tickets outside the DOT's jurisdiction and are taking their changes with the DOT for the remainder of the tickets. I expect UA will honor tickets that the DOT pressures them to honor should this happen, but regardless of that outcome will use this glitch as an example to change the DOT regulations.

ranhan429 · « **Reply #1044 on:** February 16, 2015, 11:24:01 AM »

Quote from: Toasted on February 16, 2015, 11:20:33 AM

Dot may fine them for kicks

Laws don't usually work that way.

TimT · « **Reply #1045 on:** February 16, 2015, 11:25:30 AM »

Quote from: AJK on February 16, 2015, 11:09:49 AM

A fine could be (from the latest I read) $27,000 per violation.

That's the maximum. Have they ever done that amount ?
Is $27,500 for any violation or only for tarmac delay ?

myb821 · « **Reply #1046 on:** February 16, 2015, 11:39:32 AM »

This thread is really the blind leading the blind.

m65 · « **Reply #1047 on:** February 16, 2015, 11:47:17 AM »

any way to file a claim for tickets not in the usa?

yls2011 · « **Reply #1048 on:** February 16, 2015, 11:47:52 AM »

Forgive me if I'm totally off the mark, but if the DoT chooses to fine UA, wouldn't that money be paid to DoT directly? So I would think that DoT would WANT to find a way to hold UA at fault so that they can be the recipient of that sum? Obviously UA could just decide to honor the tickets instead, but there is a chance that DoT could be the recipient of a huge amount of penalty fines?

ranhan429 · « **Reply #1049 on:** February 16, 2015, 11:48:50 AM »

Quote from: yls2011 on February 16, 2015, 11:47:52 AM

Forgive me if I'm totally off the mark, but if the DoT chooses to fine UA, wouldn't that money be paid to DoT directly? So I would think that DoT would WANT to find a way to hold UA at fault so that they can be the recipient of that sum? Obviously UA could just decide to honor the tickets instead, but there is a chance that DoT could be the recipient of a huge amount of penalty fines?

That my friend is called corruption. This is not Soviet Russia.

Emkay · « **Reply #1050 on:** February 16, 2015, 11:56:48 AM »

Quote from: m65 on February 16, 2015, 11:47:17 AM

any way to file a claim for tickets not in the usa?

I don't believe so

yls2011 · « **Reply #1051 on:** February 16, 2015, 12:00:31 PM »

Quote from: ranhan429 on February 16, 2015, 11:48:50 AM

That my friend is called corruption. This is not Soviet Russia.

I'm sure that this would not be something that they make obvious or known. But when whoever at DoT is responsible for determining how they will act in this situation, is it not possible that this is something in the back of their heads?

TimT · « **Reply #1052 on:** February 16, 2015, 12:01:16 PM »

Quote from: yls2011 on February 16, 2015, 12:00:31 PM

But when whoever at DoT is responsible for determining how they will act in this situation, is it not possible that this is something in the back of their heads?

Doubt it

ranhan429 · « **Reply #1053 on:** February 16, 2015, 12:02:23 PM »

Quote from: yls2011 on February 16, 2015, 12:00:31 PM

I'm sure that this would not be something that they make obvious or known. But when whoever at DoT is responsible for determining how they will act in this situation, is it not possible that this is something in the back of their heads?

Quote from: TimT on February 16, 2015, 12:01:16 PM

Doubt it

Yin Soviette Rahsha

username · « **Reply #1054 on:** February 16, 2015, 12:07:31 PM »

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AJK · « **Reply #1055 on:** February 16, 2015, 12:09:41 PM »

Quote from: yls2011 on February 16, 2015, 11:47:52 AM

Forgive me if I'm totally off the mark, but if the DoT chooses to fine UA, wouldn't that money be paid to DoT directly? So I would think that DoT would WANT to find a way to hold UA at fault so that they can be the recipient of that sum? Obviously UA could just decide to honor the tickets instead, but there is a chance that DoT could be the recipient of a huge amount of penalty fines?

Not how it works.

DoT doesn't necessarily see a dime of the money.

high end hobo · « **Reply #1056 on:** February 16, 2015, 01:23:03 PM »

Quote from: myb821 on February 16, 2015, 11:39:32 AM

This thread is really the blind leading the blind.

well considering no one has a crystal ball, nor is there much precedence for such a case. you cannot blame then.
this is all speculative, and pointless speculation on top of that.
just expect nothing, and be happy with what you get...

AJK · « **Reply #1057 on:** February 16, 2015, 01:29:35 PM »

Quote from: high end hobo on February 16, 2015, 01:23:03 PM

just expect nothing, and be happy with what you get...

Blah blah.

The regulation, as written and explained, should compel the DoT rule in the flyer's favor. Whether or not they contort themselves into a pretzel to try avoid that outcome because they "feel" bad about it is another story. But make no mistake, their feelings have (or rather should have) zero ramification on the outcome of this case.

Yehuda25 · « **Reply #1058 on:** February 16, 2015, 01:33:07 PM »

Quote from: AJK on February 16, 2015, 01:29:35 PM

Blah blah.

The regulation, as written and explained, should compel the DoT rule in the flyer's favor. Whether or not they contort themselves into a pretzel to try avoid that outcome because they "feel" bad about it is another story. But make no mistake, their feelings have (or rather should have) zero ramification on the outcome of this case.

Whats the odds that they come to some kind of compromise? E.G. X amount of points or some kind of vouchers

AJK · « **Reply #1059 on:** February 16, 2015, 01:34:15 PM »

DoT can do nothing but rule in favor and then issue civil penalties.

Whether or not UA will try and settle with the flyers via issuance of GC or miles is another thing altogether.

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