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Creation

  • Evolutionary theory rests on precepts set out by old, obsolete book written over a hundred years ago
  • Scientifically corroborated by numerous peer-reviewed Facebook posts
  • Banana flawlessly designed for use as fake phone
  • Bible verses about molecular mutation and generational metamorphosis in allele frequencies clearly allegorical
  • Nine electoral votes in Alabama
  • Results of natural selection experiments have only been reproduced a few thousand times in a laboratory
  • Archaeopteryx way too awesome to have evolved into shitty birds of today
  • Far easier to understand than evolution


Evolution

  • Personal feud with God
  • Saw frog evolve from pollywog
  • Distinct morphological similarities between ancient Neanderthal and Trent
  • Nice to think we actually distantly related to family dog
  • Want to see how much more upright next figure in evolutionary chart will be standing
  • That one Star Trek: Voyager episode where helmsman Tom Paris goes through rapid evolution
  • Dazzling oratorical genius of Clarence Darrow
  • Universe was created out of nothing billions of years ago, which you’ll just have to trust us on

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Re: Evolution and the age of the universe
« Reply #260 on: March 11, 2015, 11:18:21 AM »

I have not, but i could easily write my own critique on it. It is far from perfect, but  that doesn't in any way mitigate it's value.

If you have a specific review you think would be enlightening please share, but generally i fight reviews of this sort to be skewed by emotion and immature.

Thank God i have brain and i use it to process the information myself.

There are so many that I will need to sort them to find the best. Honestly, after reading the excerpts and critiques I can't take him seriously.

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Re: Evolution and the age of the universe
« Reply #261 on: March 11, 2015, 11:22:39 AM »
Frankly that is ridiculous.

Had you read the book i'd appreciate your view.

I certainly had a number of issues with the book, certain issues he oversimplified, others i found him to be illogical on.
But i read  all 887 pages of the book (besides the 30 pages of essays from R'J.B.S) and i concluded that the book provides something essential and currently rare.

There are many open minded yeshivish people who would like to further understand the issues of Torah/Science, but find that anyone knowledgeable about science who is addresses these issues is either agenda driven, or building grandiloquent apologetics to appease Baale teshuvah. And when they hear the garden variety shmooze from their rebbe it is apparent that the arguments being used are overly simple and usually hail back to the 60's and are no longer scientifically viable. The "Torah-maada" Modox elements has skewed the issue by using what i call "red herring theology"; in essence they find singular Torah quotes and misread and twist them to fit their agenda instead of properly veiwing the overall context of the discussion, or the overwhelming majority opinion.
 
Rabbi Meiselman (you may have read disparaging critiques of his book, but he is a chashuve rosh yeshiva none the less) provides the single source i have encountered who takes both legitimate Torah sources and legitimate scientific sources and breaks them both down with clarity and precision. He presents each of the major rishonim's view on the subject with clarity, he tediously breaks down the Torah sources being abused by so many of the players in this field and highlights from a academic viewpoint what they almost certainly mean and how untenable the other readings are. He presents the scientific arguments fairly, always providing source matiriel and often all relevant text. So i therefore think this book is fantastic although imperfect!

 But to come to such a strong stance from reading antagonistic vitriolic posts on some dude's blog taking excerpts out of context is pathetic (albeit fairly common in the shallow blogosphere).
Read the book, use your mind, don't accept everything he says as gospel truth. If you have an issue, look up the sources yourself. I promise you, you will gain tremendously.
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Re: Evolution and the age of the universe
« Reply #262 on: April 12, 2015, 06:06:40 AM »


There are so many that I will need to sort them to find the best.
Still waiting. ...
Are you posting them?

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Re: Evolution and the age of the universe
« Reply #264 on: May 13, 2015, 10:28:26 AM »
This explains everything...

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Re: Evolution and the age of the universe
« Reply #265 on: May 13, 2015, 12:45:51 PM »
http://www.ozy.com/rising-stars-and-provocateurs/the-man-who-may-one-up-darwin/39217
The scientist is a frum jew

This explains everything:

Quote from: Read more: The Man Who May One-Up Darwin | Rising Stars | OZY
Before England became a religious man ...— he was a scientist.

 

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Re: Evolution and the age of the universe
« Reply #266 on: March 29, 2018, 06:23:37 AM »
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2018/03/28/turtles-use-flippers-like-hands-grasping-jellyfish-karate-chopping/

The Evolutionists are grasping at straws.  Desperate to find a single example of evolution, they discover a previously unobserved behavior a declare it Evolution.  Viola, a Proof! 

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Re: Evolution and the age of the universe
« Reply #267 on: March 29, 2018, 08:05:48 AM »
You should read gerald schroeder book genisis and the big bang he's a physicist and a rabbi and lines up the pesukim with science very well

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Re: Evolution and the age of the universe
« Reply #268 on: March 29, 2018, 09:48:12 AM »
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2018/03/28/turtles-use-flippers-like-hands-grasping-jellyfish-karate-chopping/

The Evolutionists are grasping at straws.  Desperate to find a single example of evolution, they discover a previously unobserved behavior a declare it Evolution.  Viola, a Proof! 
This type of evolution does seem to happen. It simply means that Hashem created the world in a way that organisms should be able to adapt to their changing environment. This shows nothing about whether or not that is how life came about in the first place.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Evolution and the age of the universe
« Reply #269 on: March 29, 2018, 10:32:25 AM »
You should read gerald schroederinger book genisis and the big bang he's a physicist and a rabbi and lines up the pesukim with science very well

I thought something about a cat in a box?

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Re: Evolution and the age of the universe
« Reply #270 on: March 29, 2018, 10:33:48 AM »
We believe in miracles so I would careful accusing someone of grasping at straws.
I just found a new supply of forks!

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Re: Evolution and the age of the universe
« Reply #271 on: March 29, 2018, 12:03:29 PM »
You should read gerald schroeder book genisis and the big bang he's a physicist and a rabbi and lines up the pesukim with science very well
I read it and was unimpressed.

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Re: Evolution and the age of the universe
« Reply #272 on: March 29, 2018, 12:05:53 PM »
This type of evolution does seem to happen. It simply means that Hashem created the world in a way that organisms should be able to adapt to their changing environment. This shows nothing about whether or not that is how life came about in the first place.
Animals learning new behavior does not fit Evolutionists definition of evolution.  That's besides the point that the article cites no evidence that this is new behavior.

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Re: Evolution and the age of the universe
« Reply #273 on: March 29, 2018, 12:06:30 PM »
We believe in miracles so I would careful accusing someone of grasping at straws.
What do the two have to do with each other?

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Re: Evolution and the age of the universe
« Reply #274 on: March 29, 2018, 12:09:13 PM »
Animals learning new behavior does not fit Evolutionists definition of evolution.  That's besides the point that the article cites no evidence that this is new behavior.
If you are arguing that evolutionary adaptations don't happen you will be fighting a losing argument
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Re: Evolution and the age of the universe
« Reply #275 on: March 29, 2018, 12:45:23 PM »
What do the two have to do with each other?
They are both grasping at straws depending on your viewpoint.
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Re: Evolution and the age of the universe
« Reply #276 on: March 29, 2018, 12:58:54 PM »
I thought something about a cat in a box?
Quantum mechanics in an evolution argument? Bah
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Re: Evolution and the age of the universe
« Reply #277 on: March 29, 2018, 04:35:28 PM »
If you are arguing that evolutionary adaptations don't happen you will be fighting a losing argument

What's an evolutionary adaptation?

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Re: Evolution and the age of the universe
« Reply #278 on: March 29, 2018, 04:58:11 PM »
What's an evolutionary adaptation?
Some stuff that you wrote earlier in the thread.
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Re: Evolution and the age of the universe
« Reply #279 on: March 30, 2018, 01:47:03 AM »
Some stuff that you wrote earlier in the thread.
What makes any of that evolutionary?