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Creation

  • Evolutionary theory rests on precepts set out by old, obsolete book written over a hundred years ago
  • Scientifically corroborated by numerous peer-reviewed Facebook posts
  • Banana flawlessly designed for use as fake phone
  • Bible verses about molecular mutation and generational metamorphosis in allele frequencies clearly allegorical
  • Nine electoral votes in Alabama
  • Results of natural selection experiments have only been reproduced a few thousand times in a laboratory
  • Archaeopteryx way too awesome to have evolved into shitty birds of today
  • Far easier to understand than evolution


Evolution

  • Personal feud with God
  • Saw frog evolve from pollywog
  • Distinct morphological similarities between ancient Neanderthal and Trent
  • Nice to think we actually distantly related to family dog
  • Want to see how much more upright next figure in evolutionary chart will be standing
  • That one Star Trek: Voyager episode where helmsman Tom Paris goes through rapid evolution
  • Dazzling oratorical genius of Clarence Darrow
  • Universe was created out of nothing billions of years ago, which you’ll just have to trust us on

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Re: Evolution and the age of the universe
« Reply #300 on: June 29, 2020, 07:56:21 AM »
Why is that any weirder than Adam Harishon having a belly button?
Who said he did?
If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: Evolution and the age of the universe
« Reply #301 on: June 29, 2020, 08:38:06 PM »
Weirdest thing about this theory is the world being created with dinosaur bones buried in it.
I'm not very learned about these things, but I thought dinosaurs were creatures that weren't invited into the Teiva. They were impure in their heritage, that's why there are so few examples of each type, but many examples over all.
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Re: Evolution and the age of the universe
« Reply #302 on: June 29, 2020, 08:44:18 PM »
Who said he did?

So choose any of the other trillion things that would seem to indicate an old world.

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Re: Evolution and the age of the universe
« Reply #303 on: June 29, 2020, 08:45:04 PM »
So choose any of the other trillion things that would seem to indicate an old world.
What's the point?
If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: Evolution and the age of the universe
« Reply #304 on: June 30, 2020, 09:36:11 AM »
What's the point?

Of creating a fully formed world?

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Re: Evolution and the age of the universe
« Reply #305 on: June 30, 2020, 03:19:50 PM »
Of creating a fully formed world?
No, the point of your post. I didn't get it.
If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: Evolution and the age of the universe
« Reply #306 on: June 30, 2020, 04:36:00 PM »
No, the point of your post. I didn't get it.

My point was that because the world was created fully formed (as if it was old) I don't why the existence of dinosaur fossils are any harder to understand than the existence of any of the other things the would not have needed to be present in a world created יש מאין.

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Re: Evolution and the age of the universe
« Reply #307 on: June 30, 2020, 04:38:54 PM »
answering that the world was created old doesnt answer why there would be dinosaur bones created as well

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Re: Evolution and the age of the universe
« Reply #308 on: June 30, 2020, 04:59:25 PM »
answering that the world was created old doesnt answer why there would be dinosaur bones created as well

Yes it does. Creating an old world means creating everything that would exist if the world came to be by the laws of nature.

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Re: Evolution and the age of the universe
« Reply #309 on: June 30, 2020, 05:37:17 PM »
Yes it does. Creating an old world means creating everything that would exist if the world came to be by the laws of nature.

why are dinosaurs part of the laws of nature

the world could be old without having dinosaurs

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Re: Evolution and the age of the universe
« Reply #310 on: June 30, 2020, 06:02:01 PM »
why are dinosaurs part of the laws of nature

By the laws of nature there would have been species that went extinct in the time that the world was perceived to have existed.

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Re: Evolution and the age of the universe
« Reply #311 on: June 30, 2020, 06:02:34 PM »
answering that the world was created old doesnt answer why there would be dinosaur bones created as well

i have heard many times that dinosaurs existed and were destroyed in the Mabul because they were the result of immorality at the time which occurred even between the animals ( animals mating with other animals not their own )

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Re: Evolution and the age of the universe
« Reply #312 on: June 30, 2020, 06:09:29 PM »
My point was that because the world was created fully formed (as if it was old) I don't why the existence of dinosaur fossils are any harder to understand than the existence of any of the other things the would not have needed to be present in a world created יש מאין.
What does this have to do with the world being created old? You can ask why many things were created.

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Re: Evolution and the age of the universe
« Reply #313 on: June 30, 2020, 06:11:39 PM »
i have heard many times that dinosaurs existed and were destroyed in the Mabul because they were the result of immorality at the time which occurred even between the animals ( animals mating with other animals not their own )

Do you know of a makor for that?

1 - ה' told Noach to take "מכל החי" which would seem to refute that pshat.

2 - from a scientific perspective, dating of the fossils would seem to indicate that they are older than that, although that might be explained by the changing circumstances (including the mabul itself) which might make them seem older, and the difficulty in extrapolating from a limited perspective.

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Re: Evolution and the age of the universe
« Reply #314 on: June 30, 2020, 06:13:04 PM »
What does this have to do with the world being created old? You can ask why many things were created.

I wrote that in response to this;
Weirdest thing about this theory is the world being created with dinosaur bones buried in it.

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Re: Evolution and the age of the universe
« Reply #315 on: June 30, 2020, 06:41:17 PM »
By the laws of nature there would have been species that went extinct in the time that the world was perceived to have existed.
This is an interesting position that I don't think I've heard before. Essentially you are saying (I don't want to put words in your mouth) the world as it exists today very well could have been formed over billions of years of evolution, but is it just wasn't. Is that a fair representation?
If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: Evolution and the age of the universe
« Reply #316 on: June 30, 2020, 06:50:16 PM »
Do you know of a makor for that?

1 - ה' told Noach to take "מכל החי" which would seem to refute that pshat.

2 - from a scientific perspective, dating of the fossils would seem to indicate that they are older than that, although that might be explained by the changing circumstances (including the mabul itself) which might make them seem older, and the difficulty in extrapolating from a limited perspective.

i dont know but have heard it multiple times from multiple people ...will try to find out

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Re: Evolution and the age of the universe
« Reply #317 on: June 30, 2020, 06:53:46 PM »
This is an interesting position that I don't think I've heard before. Essentially you are saying (I don't want to put words in your mouth) the world as it exists today very well could have been formed over billions of years of evolution, but is it just wasn't. Is that a fair representation?
It's an argument i've seen made before in this context

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Re: Evolution and the age of the universe
« Reply #318 on: June 30, 2020, 07:14:27 PM »
It's an argument i've seen made before in this context
I don't like it because it's unfalsifiable. Besides, once you agree that based on all  observable facts in the universe, the big bang could have happened, what is so heretical about saying it did?
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Re: Evolution and the age of the universe
« Reply #319 on: June 30, 2020, 07:41:57 PM »
sorry im late to this thread but if your talking about evolution i have always thought and this would be my response to this thread as well
Don't the same scientist that believe in evolution also believe in global warming and all the other problems we face thru nature ?
if so then why cant they use their own theories to solve their problems - We will just continue to evolve! why worry that the world is getting too hot or cold or anything else they say ...if i believe i evolved to adapt to the changing world around me then why wouldn't it happen again now and continue to happen whenever necessary?
the answer is pretty obvious which should show you they don't really believe in there own theory's and also gives you an idea of how illogical or rather irrational the actual concept of evolution is.

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