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Do you hold your religous leaders to a higher standard?
« on: February 15, 2015, 11:22:28 AM »
Yes.
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Re: Do you hold your religous leaders to a higher standard?
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2015, 11:27:43 AM »
I would hope so.

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Re: Do you hold your religous leaders to a higher standard?
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2015, 11:29:46 AM »
with regard to what?
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Re: Do you hold your religous leaders to a higher standard?
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2015, 11:30:37 AM »
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Re: Do you hold your religous leaders to a higher standard?
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2015, 11:33:40 AM »
Well everyone has to follow halacha. With chumros, and things that are lifnim meshuras hadin, there's room for discussion.

Except that we're not supposed to be holding other people to standards. That's their job. We're supposed to be holding OURSELVES to standards.

On that note, I'll go get the popcorn now.
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Re: Do you hold your religous leaders to a higher standard?
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2015, 11:35:48 AM »
Simple: Yes

Additional elaboration: Nowadays in at least the modern orthodox circles, the Rabbis tend to not be in line with the level of the congregation (i.e. Black hat rabbi in mod orth community). They tend to generally be somewhat more religious. So even more so do I tend to hold them to a higher standard.

Everything.

That needs more definition.

Well everyone has to follow halacha. With chumros, and things that are lifnim meshuras hadin, there's room for discussion.

Except that we're not supposed to be holding other people to standards. That's their job. We're supposed to be holding OURSELVES to standards.

On that note, I'll go get the popcorn now.

Couldn't agree more.
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Re: Do you hold your religous leaders to a higher standard?
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2015, 11:59:01 AM »
What is this a race as to who can start the best popcorn threads?

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Re: Do you hold your religous leaders to a higher standard?
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2015, 12:04:06 PM »
What is this a race as to who can start the best popcorn threads?
...or trying to get a little more info on how other religions work.
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Re: Do you hold your religous leaders to a higher standard?
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2015, 12:13:29 PM »
IMO Every leader should be held to a higher standard. A religious leader is only one category. Anyone in the public spotlight should be held to a higher standard. Sports/political/religious

 

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Re: Do you hold your religous leaders to a higher standard?
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2015, 12:15:10 PM »
Not so sure I agree about sports.
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Re: Do you hold your religous leaders to a higher standard?
« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2015, 12:15:57 PM »
Sports...  Yikes

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Re: Do you hold your religous leaders to a higher standard?
« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2015, 12:25:23 PM »
Not so sure I agree about sports.
You are definitely entitled to your opinion  ;) Out of curiosity, I'm assuming the reason why you wouldn't hold them to a higher standard is because they are in the spotlight for their specific expertise (being whatever sport they are playing). That being assumed, you shouldn't hold anyone on a higher standard (besides religious) as long as it isn't in their area play. For instance, a political figure involved in a sex scandal. As long as they are representing their district in the best manner possible, who cares what they are doing in their free time?!?

When someone is paid to be a public figure, sports included, they are being paid for the representation as well as their performance on the field. That's why sports players need to speak to the media etc. they are a brand, and a brand is held to higher expectations.

please correct me if my assumption is false.

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Re: Do you hold your religous leaders to a higher standard?
« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2015, 12:28:44 PM »
IMO Every leader should be held to a higher standard. A religious leader is only one category. Anyone in the public spotlight should be held to a higher standard. Sports/political/religious

Let's stay on topic please..
Religious leaders should be held to at the minimum to the highest religious standards

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Re: Do you hold your religous leaders to a higher standard?
« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2015, 12:35:05 PM »
You are definitely entitled to your opinion  ;) Out of curiosity, I'm assuming the reason why you wouldn't hold them to a higher standard is because they are in the spotlight for their specific expertise (being whatever sport they are playing).
Religious leaders and politicians are making decisions that effect how we live or lives or telling us how we should live are lives. Most sports figures just wants to play the game.
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Re: Do you hold your religous leaders to a higher standard?
« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2015, 12:37:33 PM »
What makes someone a religious leader? Isn't it the fact that they are in some way or another at a higher place ?  They can't just be talking the talk.
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Re: Do you hold your religous leaders to a higher standard?
« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2015, 12:40:28 PM »
Religious leaders and politicians are making decisions that effect how we live or lives or telling us how we should live are lives. Most sports figures just wants to play the game.
I would agree with you if the only audience watching are ppl who are set in their morals. However, since a lot of the audience is going to influenced by them and actions, their behavior definitely should be held to a higher standard. For example marshawn lynch wore a hat, 12 hours later the hat was sold out in 4 online retailers. The point is the influence that they have in peoples lives.

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Re: Do you hold your religous leaders to a higher standard?
« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2015, 12:41:50 PM »
What makes someone a religious leader? Isn't it the fact that they are in some way or another at a higher place ?  They can't just be talking the talk.
To make it simple for Catholics it would be a Priest or higher.
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Re: Do you hold your religous leaders to a higher standard?
« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2015, 12:55:28 PM »

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Re: Do you hold your religous leaders to a higher standard?
« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2015, 12:57:15 PM »
I would agree with you if the only audience watching are ppl who are set in their morals. However, since a lot of the audience is going to influenced by them and actions, their behavior definitely should be held to a higher standard. For example marshawn lynch wore a hat, 12 hours later the hat was sold out in 4 online retailers. The point is the influence that they have in peoples lives.
So you would say the same for celebrities, rock stars and rap artists?
Eta: being influential  May put more of a responsibility to avoid influencing purple negatively but that doesn't mean that should be held to a higher standard. As it's a by product of their position. As opposed to religiousknow leaders and political figures who's position is to lead , one of which ways is by example.
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Re: Do you hold your religous leaders to a higher standard?
« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2015, 01:02:20 PM »
So you would say the same for celebrities, rock stars and rap artists?
Depending on the audience they are geared for, yes! If a parent allows their child to listen to rap, they cant blame the child for the inevitable profanity that'll come. Rap artists are geared to people to want to be "gangster", when a rap artist gets shot their records will fly off the shelves. However, a child celebrity star, one would hope they are being coached to realize the influence they are having on others.