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13 reasons why it's PERFECTLY FINE to buy price mistakes
« on: February 16, 2015, 11:05:48 AM »
Every price mistake spawns a new crop of haters who say we can't buy the tickets because it's WRONG.

Well once and for all, I gathered all the arguments why it is morally fine and even a mitzvah, and I put them together so these holier than thou types can finally give it up.


Here goes:




1. You didn't select the wrong country, you just chose to pay in it's currency.

You didn't select Denmark as your residence. You chose to pay in kroner and entered your US address and zip.

The fact that the country couldn't even be changed from Denmark doesn't make you a liar.

2. The Rabbis are all corrupt.

The same "rabbis" that are so holier than thou about gaming the system /morals etc are the same ones who have no qualms about the kashrus industry artificially inflating the price of kosher staple items such as poultry and dairy resulting in unnecessary hardship on people trying to "do the right thing."  As long as it's money in their pocket....sure it's fine.

3. No Certification needed? Then you didn't lie.

+1.
At no point did you need to certify that you live there to book.

4. You didn't claim to live in Denmark, you just like paying with a currency that starts with a 'K'.

5. Also it's not lying, because UA didn't expressly forbid you from saying you have a Denmark billing address.

The fact of the matter is in order to be charged in another currency, either because you get a better price in Kroner, or because you simply like paying in a currency beginning with the letter K, one has to select Denmark in the drop down.

So, unless you can show me a law, regulation, or a term in the UA CoC which prohibits choosing another currency in which to pay, I will maintain that purchasers did nothing wrong.

6. You didn't have to lie twice.

7. Also, saying you live in Denmark is not a lie because UA blamed a third party.


Further, once selecting Denmark to get the ability to pay in Kroner, I didn't lie one bit when filling out my CC info. UA processed it, accepted it, and sent me a confirmation of my purchase in Kroner.

Lastly, if what you're saying is accurate, UA would have cancelled on the basis of "lies and fraud."  Except they didnt. They cancelled them due a 3rd party error.

8. The airlines deserve it because they charge us more than we like paying.

Yeshivish justification...good term pretty much sums it up. I do have to say though that given that it's not black and white I eoukdd myself do it-the airlines rip us off so much they deserve this kind of stuff.

9. It's wrong but United in particular really deserves it, plus we hate that they make so much money.

If it's a mom and pop business struggling to get by and provide good service, I'd think twice before taking advantage of them in such an iffy case. But given that united makes billions in squeezing it's customers to get every penny, no sympathy-and taking advantage of them in iffy cases is fine.

10. Let's call it a 'gray' situation, then it's ok to do it.

As I've pointed out, it's not outright wrong. Not everything is black and white. Given the "gray" nature of this issue other things can be taken in to consideration in determining whether certain situations are more right or more wrong.

11. It's wrong but we all hate United's CEO.

With UAL, Smisek, along with the rest of the industry I'd take advantage to sympathize with the travel community.

12. We wouldn't do it to a small company but United is a big company, so it's ok.

If your local supermarket (and I don't mean like in NYC, but in a smaller town place where you know the people running the place) priced things incorrectly would you rush to buy up the whole store? Probably not. In iffy situations emotions and outside circumstances do have a role.

13. We'd never do it to an airline we like  ::), but we hate United so it's ok.

Sympathy does play a role in cases like this-and UAL doesn't deserve anyone's sympathy.



Find any other good ones? Post them here.
« Last Edit: February 16, 2015, 02:04:42 PM by yehuda S »
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Re: 13 reasons why it's PERFECTLY FINE to buy price mistakes
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2015, 11:16:28 AM »
Anyone who doesn't benefit from a price mistake has a vested interest that disqualifies him from proposing rationalizations to disqualify the purchase (read: delusion).

And the more they don't benefit, the less trustworthy they are...
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Re: 13 reasons why it's PERFECTLY FINE to buy price mistakes
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2015, 11:17:29 AM »
Anyone who doesn't benefit from a price mistake has a vested interest that disqualifies him from proposing rationalizations to disqualify the purchase (read: delusion).

And the more they don't benefit, the less trustworthy they are...

This.

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Re: 13 reasons why it's PERFECTLY FINE to buy price mistakes
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2015, 11:19:33 AM »
Darn my supermarket is out of popcorn...

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Re: 13 reasons why it's PERFECTLY FINE to buy price mistakes
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2015, 11:20:00 AM »
This.

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Exactly what I wrote.
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Re: 13 reasons why it's PERFECTLY FINE to buy price mistakes
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2015, 11:21:21 AM »
Exactly what I wrote.

So what's my interest?

Yours is not wanting to feel guilty.
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Re: 13 reasons why it's PERFECTLY FINE to buy price mistakes
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2015, 11:22:37 AM »
So what's my interest?

Yours is not wanting to feel guilty.
And yours is to somehow feel superior to those who did buy in...

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Re: 13 reasons why it's PERFECTLY FINE to buy price mistakes
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2015, 11:23:08 AM »
So what's my interest?

Yours is not wanting to feel guilty.
Yours is wanting to feel good about yourself. Holier than everyone else, hence the reason for this thread. So you can look down on others and feel good about yourself.
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Re: 13 reasons why it's PERFECTLY FINE to buy price mistakes
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2015, 11:23:33 AM »
14. My complex in Lakewood changed its name to Denmark.

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Re: 13 reasons why it's PERFECTLY FINE to buy price mistakes
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2015, 11:26:51 AM »
So what's my interest?

Yours is not wanting to feel guilty.
Its a type. The same yehuda who........... I don't wanna go in personal. But its really interesting to watch how the same types who.... they understand that it unethical to take advantage of price mistakes.

The guy who is not afraid to lie in public that he does not know rabbi toub, he think that it's unethical to take advantage of price mistakes.   What a laugh. Ever heard of BS?
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Re: 13 reasons why it's PERFECTLY FINE to buy price mistakes
« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2015, 11:27:43 AM »
Yours is wanting to feel good about yourself. Holier than everyone else, hence the reason for this thread. So you can look down on others and feel good about yourself.

And yours is to somehow feel superior to those who did buy in...

Nope. I don't care about feeling superior.

But I will admit that I have an interest: Not having to face a world which sees a website run by orthodox Jews being credited* with telling its community how to take advantage of other people's mistakes.

*see Bloomberg.com, foxnews.com coverage of the latest mistake fares.

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Re: 13 reasons why it's PERFECTLY FINE to buy price mistakes
« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2015, 11:28:39 AM »
Darn my supermarket is out of popcorn...
Come on over I have some fresh OR popping on the stove. Old school.  :)
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Re: 13 reasons why it's PERFECTLY FINE to buy price mistakes
« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2015, 11:28:57 AM »
Nope. I don't care about feeling superior.

But I will admit that I have an interest: Not having to face a world which sees a website run by orthodox Jews being credited* with telling its community how to take advantage of other people's mistakes.

*see Bloomberg.com, foxnews.com coverage of the latest mistake fares.


So why did you create this thread if you don't care what others do?

Clearly you are showing how you are better. That's why you made this thread to make fun of the people you quoted.
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Re: 13 reasons why it's PERFECTLY FINE to buy price mistakes
« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2015, 11:29:48 AM »
But I will admit that I have an interest: Not having to face a world which sees a website run by orthodox Jews being credited* with telling its community how to take advantage of other people's mistakes.
Dan should sell to a Catholic.  :)
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« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2015, 11:30:42 AM »
Come on over I have some fresh OR popping on the stove. Old school.  :)
Just scam your local supermarket out of some popcorn  ;)

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Re: 13 reasons why it's PERFECTLY FINE to buy price mistakes
« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2015, 11:31:23 AM »
So why did you create this thread if you don't care what others do?

I DO care what you do! I want you to stop it. It's a chilul HaShem! Regardless of all the silly justifications, there are plenty of people, Jews and non-Jews, who know it's a wrong thing to do, and when they see a Jewish site being credited for it, that is a huge black stain on our name as a straight people- Yeshurun.

There are also plenty of people who may not be able to resist but who think that religious Jews should be held to a higher standard than themselves. And they are right.
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Re: 13 reasons why it's PERFECTLY FINE to buy price mistakes
« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2015, 11:36:10 AM »
I DO care what you do! I want you to stop it. It's a chilul HaShem! Regardless of all the silly justifications, there are plenty of people, Jews and non-Jews, who know it's a wrong thing to do, and when they see a Jewish site being credited for it, that is a huge black stain on our name as a straight people- Yeshurun.

There are also plenty of people who may not be able to resist but who think that religious Jews should be held to a higher standard than themselves. And they are right.
And I assume you believe that Jews in the middle ages should not have been money lenders (one of the only professions they were ALLOWED to do) because it reinforced the stereotype that Jews are money hungry?

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Re: 13 reasons why it's PERFECTLY FINE to buy price mistakes
« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2015, 11:36:54 AM »
Nope. I don't care about feeling superior.

But I will admit that I have an interest: Not having to face a world which sees a website run by orthodox Jews being credited* with telling its community how to take advantage of other people's mistakes.

*see Bloomberg.com, foxnews.com coverage of the latest mistake fares.
I'm still not sure why Dan got credited for it

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Re: 13 reasons why it's PERFECTLY FINE to buy price mistakes
« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2015, 11:36:59 AM »
And I assume you believe that Jews in the middle ages should not have been money lenders (one of the only professions they were ALLOWED to do) because it reinforced the stereotype that Jews are money hungry?

What???  >:(

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Re: 13 reasons why it's PERFECTLY FINE to buy price mistakes
« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2015, 11:43:35 AM »


And I assume you believe that Jews in the middle ages should not have been money lenders (one of the only professions they were ALLOWED to do) because it reinforced the stereotype that Jews are money hungry?

What I heard (albeit not necessarily from a reliable source) is that the stereotype came from the fact that Jews were the money lenders
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