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Achas Veachas · « **Reply #20 on:** February 17, 2015, 03:24:54 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on February 17, 2015, 03:19:40 PM

Then you also seen how the D's reframed the issue once they all but lost the global warming issue.
To answer your question it would take many new regulations to fix the problem as the D's see it. R's are against new regulations.

As I said:

Quote from: Achas Veachas on February 17, 2015, 12:38:34 PM

A political question would be whether the government should make regulations about it or not...

Though apparently, in order not to have to deal with regulations, the R's seem to take the denialist approach...

Dan · « **Reply #21 on:** February 17, 2015, 03:27:22 PM »

Denying that humans have a significant effect on climate change isn't the same as denying that change is occurring.

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #22 on:** February 17, 2015, 03:28:49 PM »

Quote from: Achas Veachas on February 17, 2015, 03:24:54 PM

Though apparently, in order not to have to deal with regulations, the R's seem to take the denialist approach...

Your starting point sometimes blurs the real issue. I noticed that when someone gets in on a glitch award.

noturbizniss · « **Reply #23 on:** February 17, 2015, 03:30:01 PM »

Quote from: Dan on February 17, 2015, 03:27:22 PM

Denying that humans have a significant effect on climate change isn't the same as denying that change is occurring.

Even the question of whether it is occurring is debated.

Dan · « **Reply #24 on:** February 17, 2015, 03:34:22 PM »

Change is constant.

noturbizniss · « **Reply #25 on:** February 17, 2015, 03:39:14 PM »

It's a matter of degree. I've seen charts showing that over the last 1000 years temps have gone up but over last 2000 they've gone down. It's a matter of which way is the norm and which is just skewing statistics for a political reason (on both sides).

Achas Veachas · « **Reply #26 on:** February 17, 2015, 03:48:19 PM »

Quote from: Dan on February 17, 2015, 03:27:22 PM

Denying that humans have a significant effect on climate change isn't the same as denying that change is occurring.

Again. The question of whether it's caused by humans or not is a question scientists need to answer, not politicians...

Achas Veachas · « **Reply #27 on:** February 17, 2015, 03:49:52 PM »

How did a simple "Where is..." thread turn into a potential PC thread?

noturbizniss · « **Reply #28 on:** February 17, 2015, 03:50:42 PM »

Quote from: Achas Veachas on February 17, 2015, 03:48:19 PM

Again. The question of whether it's caused by humans or not is a question scientists need to answer, not politicians...

That is not such an easy question to answer. That is where things can be skewed. Do you look at a graph of the last 50 years? 100 years? 500? 1000? Every graph can paint a different picture. It becomes political because either it pushes ahead or kills the green agenda.

noturbizniss · « **Reply #29 on:** February 17, 2015, 03:51:05 PM »

Quote from: Achas Veachas on February 17, 2015, 03:49:52 PM

How did a simple "Where is..." thread turn into a potential PC thread?

It's what he would have wanted...

Achas Veachas · « **Reply #30 on:** February 17, 2015, 03:59:08 PM »

Quote from: noturbizniss on February 17, 2015, 03:50:42 PM

That is not such an easy question to answer. That is where things can be skewed. Do you look at a graph of the last 50 years? 100 years? 500? 1000? Every graph can paint a different picture. It becomes political because either it pushes ahead or kills the green agenda.

It get's skewed by the politicians, the scientists are pretty unanimous about it...

Achas Veachas · « **Reply #31 on:** February 17, 2015, 04:05:37 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on February 17, 2015, 03:19:40 PM

Then you also seen how the D's reframed the issue once they all but lost the global warming issue.

FTR The D's aren't the only ones changing their narrative. Until not too long ago the R's were arguing whether climate change was even taking place (some conservative strongholds are still holding there), then they changed to "It's happening but it's not because of humans", and now we are starting to hear "humans may have caused it but there's nothing that can be done about it now"...

noturbizniss · « **Reply #32 on:** February 17, 2015, 04:20:57 PM »

Quote from: Achas Veachas on February 17, 2015, 03:59:08 PM

It get's skewed by the politicians, the scientists are pretty unanimous about it...

Haven't watched the clip, but seriously? That's your proof? I love the show, but he's as left biased as Jon Stewart (not to mention Bill Nye also is).
I can open Drudge Report once a week and see links saying that most scientists say it isn't happening.

Achas Veachas · « **Reply #33 on:** February 17, 2015, 04:23:24 PM »

Quote from: noturbizniss on February 17, 2015, 04:20:57 PM

Haven't watched the clip, but seriously? That's your proof?

No, I don't get ALL my information from late night TV...

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #34 on:** February 17, 2015, 04:41:07 PM »

Quote from: Achas Veachas on February 17, 2015, 03:49:52 PM

How did a simple "Where is..." thread turn into a potential PC thread?

Actually this was a PC thread until someone made tried to make into a scientific discussion.

Achas Veachas · « **Reply #35 on:** February 17, 2015, 04:48:49 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on February 17, 2015, 04:41:07 PM

Actually this was a PC thread until someone made tried to make into a political discussion.

FTFY

TimT · « **Reply #36 on:** February 17, 2015, 04:54:45 PM »

Quote from: noturbizniss on February 17, 2015, 03:22:24 PM

In the 70's it was global cooling, then it was global warming, now it's climate change. Not saying one side or the other, jsut saying how they labels have changed.

They will keep coming up with new labels if they don't want the oceans of grants & mega donations to freeze up.

wayfe · « **Reply #37 on:** February 19, 2015, 01:19:50 AM »

Another question is how important the issue of climate change actually is, and whether or not this country has more serious issues to contend with.

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #38 on:** February 19, 2015, 01:23:18 AM »

How do we get CBC back?

Achas Veachas · « **Reply #39 on:** February 22, 2015, 09:32:11 AM »

Quote from: TimT on February 17, 2015, 04:54:45 PM

They will keep coming up with new labels if they don't want the oceans of grants & mega donations to freeze up.

Or they could just switch to climate denial and get mega funding from the oil companies...

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/28/usa-climate-skeptic-idAFN1E75Q1ZO20110628