Author Topic: Payroll Not paid in 5 Months. What are his rights, Law and Halacha  (Read 31302 times)

Offline yr

  • Dansdeals Gold Elite
  • ***
  • Join Date: Dec 2014
  • Posts: 154
  • Total likes: 30
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
    • View Profile
  • Location: United States
Re: Payroll Not paid in 5 Months. What are his rights, Law and Halacha
« Reply #40 on: February 25, 2015, 03:20:07 PM »
yea right. I'm sure they are letting people in when they don't pay for 5 months. Suuuuuure.

Just like the teachers keep on coming in without pay, the schools don't send kids with outstanding tuition balances home. At any given time, there could be a bunch of parents who made timely tuition payments but for one reason or another (e.g. lost job) can't pay.

Offline noturbizniss

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Dec 2012
  • Posts: 7118
  • Total likes: 140
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 4
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Location: North Jersey
Re: Payroll Not paid in 5 Months. What are his rights, Law and Halacha
« Reply #41 on: February 25, 2015, 03:24:01 PM »
Is that something you personally know, or a wild, wild guess?
do you personally know of a school that has so many kids coming in for free that they can't pay the teachers? I don't believe this issue is cuz parents arent paying. I am long past giving people benefit of the doubt.
READ THE DARN WIKI!!!!

Chuck Norris...
...can still do FT method
...READS THE WIKI!!!

Offline TimT

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 20K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Dec 2013
  • Posts: 22692
  • Total likes: 7191
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 12
    • View Profile
Re: Payroll Not paid in 5 Months. What are his rights, Law and Halacha
« Reply #42 on: February 25, 2015, 03:24:58 PM »
do you personally know of a school that has so many kids coming in for free that they can't pay the teachers? I don't believe this issue is cuz parents arent paying. I am long past giving people benefit of the doubt.
Then where's it all going ?

Offline ilherman

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Jun 2013
  • Posts: 8948
  • Total likes: 228
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 35
    • View Profile
  • Location: Brooklyn
Re: Payroll Not paid in 5 Months. What are his rights, Law and Halacha
« Reply #43 on: February 25, 2015, 03:25:36 PM »
do you personally know of a school that has so many kids coming in for free that they can't pay the teachers? I don't believe this issue is cuz parents arent paying. I am long past giving people benefit of the doubt.
Yes, I do. You can PM me for more info.
You can say what you think when you think what you say.

Offline ckmk47

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Aug 2012
  • Posts: 8031
  • Total likes: 1065
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 3
  • Gender: Female
    • View Profile
  • Location: brooklyn
Re: Payroll Not paid in 5 Months. What are his rights, Law and Halacha
« Reply #44 on: February 25, 2015, 03:27:33 PM »
A) A school has an obligation to pay for services rendered.  They must be paying heating and electric costs, or the students would be shivering in the dark.  If the tuition doesn't cover expenses - and in most cases that is true - fund raise!  Go house to house, make parties etc.  Get the money!  If they don't have it yet, how do they expect to pay their teachers going forward?  Have they told them that they're volunteering as of now?


B) I know an administrator of a school that has various  government programs running - lunch, after school, etc.  Each of these are funded separately, with a budget approved by the government agency involved.  This administrator gets a bit of his salary from each of the programs he oversees.  So even when the general coffers are bare, and the regular teachers are getting paid late, he gets some of his salary.  So bigwig take home pay may not be the best arbiter of money available to pay the teachers.  (When they are late, though, he hollers up the line to the administrator in charge of general mosad funding.)
My favorite cause: cssy.org

Offline noturbizniss

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Dec 2012
  • Posts: 7118
  • Total likes: 140
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 4
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Location: North Jersey
Re: Payroll Not paid in 5 Months. What are his rights, Law and Halacha
« Reply #45 on: February 25, 2015, 03:35:17 PM »
Yes, I do. You can PM me for more info.
If they really have that issue, then the business model is flawed. If the parent body cannot pay then the school needs to get donors to support them so they can pay the teachers or get out of business. the teachers need to eat.
READ THE DARN WIKI!!!!

Chuck Norris...
...can still do FT method
...READS THE WIKI!!!

Offline ilherman

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Jun 2013
  • Posts: 8948
  • Total likes: 228
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 35
    • View Profile
  • Location: Brooklyn
Re: Payroll Not paid in 5 Months. What are his rights, Law and Halacha
« Reply #46 on: February 25, 2015, 03:54:21 PM »
If they really have that issue, then the business model is flawed. If the parent body cannot pay then the school needs to get donors to support them so they can pay the teachers or get out of business. the teachers need to eat.
Now you have a point. That is 100% correct. But this post
I find it very hard to believe that the bigwigs are not getting their paychecks.  such a chillul hashem
has nothing to to do with this argument. Just makes you sound like a self hating Jew.
You can say what you think when you think what you say.

Offline noturbizniss

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Dec 2012
  • Posts: 7118
  • Total likes: 140
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 4
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Location: North Jersey
Re: Payroll Not paid in 5 Months. What are his rights, Law and Halacha
« Reply #47 on: February 25, 2015, 03:59:09 PM »
But this post has nothing to to do with this argument. Just makes you sound like a self hating Jew.
I hate the hypocrisy. 
Thanks for your opinions, but i really don't need you projecting your own feelings onto me. 
READ THE DARN WIKI!!!!

Chuck Norris...
...can still do FT method
...READS THE WIKI!!!

Offline alpicone

  • Dansdeals Platinum Elite + Lifetime Gold Elite
  • ******
  • Join Date: Aug 2012
  • Posts: 879
  • Total likes: 5
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 2
    • View Profile
  • Location: New York
Re: Payroll Not paid in 5 Months. What are his rights, Law and Halacha
« Reply #48 on: February 25, 2015, 04:07:31 PM »
Other than Jewish schools and start up companies (where employees have upside) how many other companies/institutions do you know where people work and don't get paid for 5 months?

Offline Menachem613

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Jun 2012
  • Posts: 1209
  • Total likes: 61
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Location: NYC
Re: Payroll Not paid in 5 Months. What are his rights, Law and Halacha
« Reply #49 on: February 25, 2015, 04:19:09 PM »

Now you have a point. That is 100% correct. But this post has nothing to to do with this argument. Just makes you sound like a self hating Jew.

What did he say that implies he's self hating?

Offline Ches

  • Dansdeals Bronze Elite
  • *
  • Join Date: Nov 2011
  • Posts: 33
  • Total likes: 0
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
    • View Profile
Re: Payroll Not paid in 5 Months. What are his rights, Law and Halacha
« Reply #50 on: February 25, 2015, 04:29:41 PM »
The Zohar says on ותגע בכף ירכו, בתמכין דאורייתא that Mosdes Hatorah will always have financial hardship, till the great redemption.

Offline aygart

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 18423
  • Total likes: 14598
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 14
    • View Profile
    • Lower Watt Energy Brokers
  • Programs: www.lowerwatt.com
Re: Payroll Not paid in 5 Months. What are his rights, Law and Halacha
« Reply #51 on: February 25, 2015, 04:37:24 PM »
I'm don't have any experience but can't you ask for a Zabl"a?
+1
Also, the threat of publicizing how they are treating their staff can go a VERY long way. How can a school expect to get competent rabbeim if they can't expect pay in a reasonable time?
Feelings don't care about your facts

Offline TimT

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 20K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Dec 2013
  • Posts: 22692
  • Total likes: 7191
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 12
    • View Profile
Re: Payroll Not paid in 5 Months. What are his rights, Law and Halacha
« Reply #52 on: February 25, 2015, 04:39:19 PM »
+1
Also, the threat of publicizing how they are treating their staff can go a VERY long way. How can a school expect to get competent rabbeim if they can't expect pay in a reasonable time?
Unfortunately lots of schools have the same problem. & it's very public.

Offline Hershelsdeals

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Jul 2014
  • Posts: 3590
  • Total likes: 13
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 2
    • View Profile
Re: Payroll Not paid in 5 Months. What are his rights, Law and Halacha
« Reply #53 on: February 25, 2015, 04:40:11 PM »
Unfortunately lots of schools have the same problem. & it's very public.
Therefore?

Offline TimT

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 20K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Dec 2013
  • Posts: 22692
  • Total likes: 7191
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 12
    • View Profile
Re: Payroll Not paid in 5 Months. What are his rights, Law and Halacha
« Reply #54 on: February 25, 2015, 04:41:47 PM »
Therefore?
the threat of publicizing how they are treating their staff can go a VERY long way.
That won't be too effective.

Offline aygart

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 18423
  • Total likes: 14598
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 14
    • View Profile
    • Lower Watt Energy Brokers
  • Programs: www.lowerwatt.com
Re: Payroll Not paid in 5 Months. What are his rights, Law and Halacha
« Reply #55 on: February 25, 2015, 04:53:53 PM »
That may not be too effective.
FTFY. Keyword "can"
Feelings don't care about your facts

Offline Chapshnell

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Apr 2013
  • Posts: 4831
  • Total likes: 275
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 12
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Location: BP
  • Programs: Delta Skypesos, AA Shilling, AS Pounds.
Re: Payroll Not paid in 5 Months. What are his rights, Law and Halacha
« Reply #56 on: February 25, 2015, 04:59:09 PM »
The same school that the verse in the torah is studied that a day should not go by without paying your worker they dont pay for 5 months? ridiculous.. Either shut the place down or be honest with the rebbe's when they can legitly pay their paycheck.

Offline Hershelsdeals

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Jul 2014
  • Posts: 3590
  • Total likes: 13
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 2
    • View Profile
Re: Payroll Not paid in 5 Months. What are his rights, Law and Halacha
« Reply #57 on: February 25, 2015, 07:00:44 PM »
The same school that the verse in the torah is studied that a day should not go by without paying your worker they dont pay for 5 months? ridiculous.. Either shut the place down or be honest with the rebbe's when they can legitly pay their paycheck.
+1

Offline Hershelsdeals

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Jul 2014
  • Posts: 3590
  • Total likes: 13
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 2
    • View Profile
Re: Payroll Not paid in 5 Months. What are his rights, Law and Halacha
« Reply #58 on: February 25, 2015, 07:48:11 PM »
This School is taking advantage of a Jew for being Jewish, and won't go to Court, a non Jew who threatened to go to the department of Labor got her check,  I can't let this continue.

Can someone help me find a consultant in Law and Halacha, I'll greatly appreciated it

Offline elit

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Jun 2008
  • Posts: 1498
  • Total likes: 119
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: Payroll Not paid in 5 Months. What are his rights, Law and Halacha
« Reply #59 on: February 25, 2015, 07:50:04 PM »
Just caught up on this thread and i gotta say wow what planet do you guys live on. This is an issue for hundreds if not thousands of mossads. Usually as I'm sure in this case, when employees take the job they know the org has a hard time paying on time but they take the job for a variety of reasons. One hopefully being some aspect of lshmah... Additionlly there are many head's of org.s that have a really heavy burden on their shoulders all the time because they are having trouble paying and don't take paychecks until everyone else is paid and they don't close down because they believe in the vital importance of the mission of their Mossad