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Re: Netanyahu's speech to Congress 3/3/15
« Reply #80 on: March 03, 2015, 06:53:38 PM »
I didn't vote for him but he is my/our president. There are many threads where it is stated the US does not do enough for Israel. Just knowing that the US is on your side you would think would be enough.
being on your side is nice but if it hinders them in protecting themselves how is that enough?

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Re: Netanyahu's speech to Congress 3/3/15
« Reply #81 on: March 03, 2015, 06:58:48 PM »
being on your side is nice but if it hinders them in protecting themselves how is that enough?
All the aid and knowing the US would step in to help if they were attacked I think qualifies as protecting Israel at some level. OK help me out here. What is Israel's end game and how do they accomplish it?
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Re: Netanyahu's speech to Congress 3/3/15
« Reply #82 on: March 03, 2015, 07:03:20 PM »
All the aid and knowing the US would step in to help if they were attacked I think qualifies as protecting Israel at some level. OK help me out here. What is Israel's end game and how do they accomplish it?
How about just real stiff sanctions... Which actually might work in a country like Iran that has a sizeable modern population

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Re: Netanyahu's speech to Congress 3/3/15
« Reply #83 on: March 03, 2015, 07:04:54 PM »
All the aid and knowing the US would step in to help if they were attacked I think qualifies as protecting Israel at some level. OK help me out here. What is Israel's end game and how do they accomplish it?
after you get attacked by a nuclear bomb there's not much aid needed. I'm assuming they have a way to stop their production that would require a little more than sanctions. Cant say for sure as I missed the last few intelligence briefings.

The president constantly downplays the situation as a normal conflict, you cant treat cancer like a cold. Cemo isnt fun but you have to take drastic action.

Again I dont claim to be an expert in foreign policy, but this is my opinion.

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Re: Netanyahu's speech to Congress 3/3/15
« Reply #84 on: March 03, 2015, 07:11:26 PM »
How about just real stiff sanctions... Which actually might work in a country like Iran that has a sizeable modern population
Weren't there massive sanctions on Iran after 1979?
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Re: Netanyahu's speech to Congress 3/3/15
« Reply #85 on: March 03, 2015, 07:30:50 PM »
Weren't there massive sanctions on Iran after 1979?
Didn't Achnenjad lost popularity bc the ppl didn't like how his posture was causing them to get squeezed by sanctions

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Re: Netanyahu's speech to Congress 3/3/15
« Reply #86 on: March 03, 2015, 07:34:48 PM »
Didn't Achnenjad lost popularity bc the ppl didn't like how his posture was causing them to get squeezed by sanctions
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Re: Netanyahu's speech to Congress 3/3/15
« Reply #87 on: March 03, 2015, 07:47:35 PM »
Need help on this one as Google not even helping.
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Re: Netanyahu's speech to Congress 3/3/15
« Reply #90 on: March 03, 2015, 07:55:03 PM »
after you get attacked by a nuclear bomb there's not much aid needed. I'm assuming they have a way to stop their production that would require a little more than sanctions. Cant say for sure as I missed the last few intelligence briefings.

The president constantly downplays the situation as a normal conflict, you cant treat cancer like a cold. Cemo isnt fun but you have to take drastic action.

Again I dont claim to be an expert in foreign policy, but this is my opinion.
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Re: Netanyahu's speech to Congress 3/3/15
« Reply #91 on: March 03, 2015, 08:11:17 PM »
I didn't vote for him but he is my/our president. There are many threads where it is stated the US does not do enough for Israel. Just knowing that the US is on your side you would think would be enough.

Rubbish.

Because he is the President--who I need not remind you only governs with the consent of the governed--we should follow him blindly, no matter the consequence or ramification?

If a raving lunatic with a penchant for extreme violence against little girls moved in next to you and your young daughter, and our illustrious Commander-in-Chief made a decision to abstain from removing his cage, his propofol, and his knives, you'd be a good patriot and simply say, "sir, yes, sir!" right?

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Re: Netanyahu's speech to Congress 3/3/15
« Reply #92 on: March 03, 2015, 08:14:36 PM »
Rubbish.

Because he is the President--who I need not remind you only governs with the consent of the governed--we should follow him blindly, no matter the consequence or ramification?

If a raving lunatic with a penchant for extreme violence against little girls moved in next to you and your young daughter, and our illustrious Commander-in-Chief made a decision to abstain from removing his cage, his propofol, and his knives, you'd be a good patriot and simply say, "sir, yes, sir!" right?

Look, you don't agree with Obama's policies. I don't either.

The question I asked earlier is what exactly does Netanyahu want? What does he want Obama to do differently about Iran? It's pretty obvious that bombing Iran at this stage is no longer an option.

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Re: Netanyahu's speech to Congress 3/3/15
« Reply #93 on: March 03, 2015, 08:16:30 PM »
Look, you don't agree with Obama's policies. I don't either.

The question I asked earlier is what exactly does Netanyahu want? What does he want Obama to do differently about Iran? It's pretty obvious that bombing Iran at this stage is no longer an option.
can you explain why not?

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Re: Netanyahu's speech to Congress 3/3/15
« Reply #94 on: March 03, 2015, 08:18:40 PM »
Look, you don't agree with Obama's policies. I don't either.

The question I asked earlier is what exactly does Netanyahu want? What does he want Obama to do differently about Iran? It's pretty obvious that bombing Iran at this stage is no longer an option.

Actually, I was only responding to the assertion that one must follow POTUS simply because he holds the office. It's an asinine proposition, IMHO, and one which directly contravenes the foundation upon which this country was built.

As to your question, it's pretty simple what Netanyahu wants. For the America NOT to approve the deal with Iran that has been described in broad strokes. It just delays what would become inevitable.

However, Netanyahu was smart not to directly say what he wants; only that the course America is on is one which is fraught with an existential danger to Israel.
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Re: Netanyahu's speech to Congress 3/3/15
« Reply #95 on: March 03, 2015, 08:20:12 PM »
Actually, I was only responding to the assertion that one must follow POTUS simply because he holds the office. It's an asinine proposition, IMHO, and one which directly contravenes the foundation upon which this country was built.

As to your question, it's pretty simple what Netanyahu wants. For the America NOT to approve the deal with Iran that has been described in broad strokes. It just delays what would become inevitable.

However, Netanyahu was smart not to directly say what he wants; only that the course America is on is one which is fraught with an existential danger to Israel.

That much I know. But what deal (or no deal?) DOES he want?

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Re: Netanyahu's speech to Congress 3/3/15
« Reply #96 on: March 03, 2015, 08:21:02 PM »
Because he is the President--who I need not remind you only governs with the consent of the governed--we should follow him blindly, no matter the consequence or ramification?
Where did you get this from?
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Re: Netanyahu's speech to Congress 3/3/15
« Reply #97 on: March 03, 2015, 08:21:25 PM »
I just don't understand why certain members bash the US every chance they get.
Hillary respectfully disagrees with you

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Re: Netanyahu's speech to Congress 3/3/15
« Reply #98 on: March 03, 2015, 08:24:31 PM »
Hillary respectfully disagrees with you

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Re: Netanyahu's speech to Congress 3/3/15
« Reply #99 on: March 03, 2015, 08:25:22 PM »
That much I know. But what deal (or no deal?) DOES he want?

He's too smart to articulate what he wants with the platform he was given.

But he wants the entire infrastructure destroyed, either by military, by sanction, or otherwise.
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