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As of today, who has changed the world the most?

Jobs
7 (21.2%)
Musk
20 (60.6%)
Too difficult to determine which one to date
6 (18.2%)

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Author Topic: Visionary Innovators: Jobs Vs. Musk  (Read 1367 times)

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Re: Visionary Innovators: Jobs Vs. Musk
« Reply #40 on: April 08, 2022, 01:46:00 PM »
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Re: Visionary Innovators: Jobs Vs. Musk
« Reply #41 on: April 08, 2022, 03:12:30 PM »
I would add though to the average American in 2022 the answer to the poll would probably be Steve, a lot more people own iPhones over teslas..
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Re: Visionary Innovators: Jobs Vs. Musk
« Reply #42 on: April 08, 2022, 04:06:48 PM »
They both blazed a trail, Steve Jobs was better at taking existing ideas and redesigning/repackaging them and bringing them to market as premium/experiential products. Elon Musk is a real innovator and who is able to envision bring to reality a vision that pushes the envelopes of what’s possible.

I’d say that it’s likelier that we’d get closer to where we are now with PCs/handhelds without Steve Jobs, than we would with a whole host of things without Elon Musk.

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Re: Visionary Innovators: Jobs Vs. Musk
« Reply #43 on: April 08, 2022, 04:39:55 PM »
I think Steve Jobs would be classified more as a sales person who knew what would sell, as opposed to Musk who is more of an inventor.

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Re: Visionary Innovators: Jobs Vs. Musk
« Reply #44 on: April 08, 2022, 05:00:04 PM »
I think Steve Jobs would be classified more as a sales person who knew what would sell, as opposed to Musk who is more of an inventor.
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Re: Visionary Innovators: Jobs Vs. Musk
« Reply #45 on: April 08, 2022, 05:21:34 PM »
I would add though to the average American in 2022 the answer to the poll would probably be Steve, a lot more people own iPhones over teslas..
yep this is my exact response here. For now jobs has reached more ppl than musk has
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Re: Visionary Innovators: Jobs Vs. Musk
« Reply #46 on: April 08, 2022, 05:53:38 PM »
yep this is my exact response here. For now jobs has reached more ppl than musk has
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Re: Visionary Innovators: Jobs Vs. Musk
« Reply #47 on: April 08, 2022, 06:03:09 PM »
Question isn't about an individual. It's about the world.
Some would argue that the world is the people
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Re: Visionary Innovators: Jobs Vs. Musk
« Reply #48 on: April 08, 2022, 06:04:17 PM »
I would add though to the average American in 2022 the answer to the poll would probably be Steve, a lot more people own iPhones over teslas..

Steve Jobs died more than a decade ago, so a young adult nowadays might not remember him and certainly won’t remember Jobs in 2007 when the first iPhone was released, or from before that.

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Re: Visionary Innovators: Jobs Vs. Musk
« Reply #49 on: April 08, 2022, 06:05:47 PM »
Some would argue that the world is the people

jj1000 means we’re asking about the affect of Jobs vs. Musk on the entire world (all 8 billion people), not about those two individuals alone. Musk + Jobs ≠ the entire world.

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Re: Visionary Innovators: Jobs Vs. Musk
« Reply #50 on: April 08, 2022, 06:27:22 PM »
jj1000 means we’re asking about the affect of Jobs vs. Musk on the entire world (all 8 billion people), not about those two individuals alone. Musk + Jobs ≠ the entire world.
The current felt effect, or the down the line effect of current events?

I believe we can pretty much see now the effect Jobs made and it may take a while to feel the effects that Musk already made, not to mention the potential for the future.
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Re: Visionary Innovators: Jobs Vs. Musk
« Reply #51 on: April 08, 2022, 06:34:46 PM »
The current felt effect, or the down the line effect of current events?

I believe we can pretty much see now the effect Jobs made and it may take a while to feel the effects that Musk already made, not to mention the potential for the future.

This is true. The issue is that the more you abstract it the less you can attribute the evolution to any one person. OTOH the poll question asks about “as of today”, which kinda precludes “down the line”, unless you mean prospectively.

In any case it isn’t a fair comparison because Jobs’ direct contribution ended while Musk’s is ongoing, and as you said, even Musk’s contributions to date haven’t fully ripened.

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Re: Visionary Innovators: Jobs Vs. Musk
« Reply #52 on: April 25, 2022, 07:50:21 PM »
his contribution to society is enormous
he has 6 companies effecting from deep down to high up and everything in between
Boring - Tunneling  company BTW also creates and sells bricks
Neuralink
Solar city -solar roof
Tesla
Starlink
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CEO and product architect of Tesla, Inc.
Founder of The Boring Company and X.com (now part of PayPal)
Co-founder of Neuralink, OpenAI, and Zip2
President of Musk Foundation
Director of Twitter

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk

and he is involved with them all, he is not just a guy with a couple of bucks that bought companies, these companies are what they are because of his leadership

and everything he does is ground up, redesign reiterate till you get the desired result, we have lot to learn
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Re: Visionary Innovators: Jobs Vs. Musk
« Reply #53 on: April 29, 2022, 03:58:01 PM »
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Re: Visionary Innovators: Jobs Vs. Musk
« Reply #54 on: April 29, 2022, 03:59:04 PM »
Why this thread?
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Re: Visionary Innovators: Jobs Vs. Musk
« Reply #55 on: April 29, 2022, 04:18:48 PM »
Why this thread?
I searched for the thread where Dan posted he wouldn't bet against Elon
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