Fire Safety

[Red]

Worth posting something like this: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00PC5S0PA/?tag=cl03f-20
With quotes from here: http://www.nfpa.org/safety-information/for-consumers/fire-and-safety-equipment/smoke-alarms
Or not worth the inevitable backlash?

you can do a post about the free detectors being given out in brooklyn and add that to it. http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/294332/today-fdny-to-hand-out-smoke-alarms-and-important-literature-at-four-locations-in-flatbush.html
i think the Agudah of Ave L is giving them out too

[TimT]

You can start off with "message from the FDNY" like the news sites do.

You could also close the comments if you're worried.

[cozmohoot]

With the right heartfelt message of using this time as an important reminder about fire safety and the sad loss ...I'd post it.
You can close the comments section.
I'd keep the post brief. But so many people are reading your site, if the reminder helps them to check their devices that's a great thing.

+1. Tough call and post.

Saw this Dan?
In this Dan Doofus video, NFPA is reminding you to make sure you have enough smoke alarms in your home, test them monthly and replace them every 10 years.

[shauly]

Definitely worth posting.

My apartment has no detectors.. I never really thought twice about it.

[TimT]

Definitely worth posting.

My apartment has no detectors.. I never really thought twice about it.

Any reason why not ? It's the law. Was this the 1st such story you heard?
Almost every Yom Tov there's such stories.

[clear thinker]

Worth posting something like this: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00PC5S0PA/?tag=cl03f-20
With quotes from here: http://www.nfpa.org/safety-information/for-consumers/fire-and-safety-equipment/smoke-alarms
Or not worth the inevitable backlash?

I went to buy these yesterday from "Kiddie" though I paid a little more in Walmart but different products "10 year sealed" you don't have to change the battery for 10 years.
Guys go out to buy them (or any other) along with a small fire extinguisher.
Should something good come out of it along with undertaking fresh resolutions in "Yiddishkeit" and humanity, embrace life and try to make the world a better place for your kids and grandchildren to live in until we'll hear the "shofer shel moshiach" very very soon.
Omein!

[ChaimMoskowitz]

People who dislike religion will always blame religion for any negative event that occurs, and will always discredit religion when something positive occurs. This is nothing new, and has been going on for soemthing like three thousand years.

The problem is when something positive happens we have no problem giving credit to religion. When something negative happens the standard answer is we are not capable of understanding. Can't have it both ways.

[@Yehuda]

Worth posting something like this: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00PC5S0PA/?tag=cl03f-20
With quotes from here: http://www.nfpa.org/safety-information/for-consumers/fire-and-safety-equipment/smoke-alarms
Or not worth the inevitable backlash?

I'm not sure where a "deals" blog fits in with this story, but I do see how you reach a large group of people and a post can make a difference. I would expect comments like "Oh, Dan's trying to make a buck on smoke detectors" if you post an Amazon referral link, though.

While you are at it, why not install automatic sprinklers in every room?

My point is, there is a reasonable amount of precautions to take in the event of a fire. Ladders are an unreasonable precaution. Good, working fire detectors, multiple exits in and out of the house, and taking precautions with day to day use of appliances, candles etc. should be enough.

Like everyone else said, a ladder on a second story when you only have 1 staircase makes TOTAL sense. My mother always kept one in the house, but unfortunately, I wouldn't know where it is in an emergency nor would I know how to properly use it. So this is a good reminder.

They don't...people that go through these things unfortunately never ever recover.

Yuch. How could you say that? It took me 5 seconds to think of a friend that lost a lot of family in a car accident and almost his own life, and he's "recovered". Sure, life isn't the same for him, but with G-d's help, you learn how to move on.

[zale]

The problem is when something positive happens we have no problem giving credit to religion. When something negative happens the standard answer is we are not capable of understanding. Can't have it both ways.

One of the basic tenets of Judaism is Divine Providence. If you believe in Dvine Providence, then you believe that everything that happens, good or bad, is in the hands of G-D.

It's very easy [for someone who is religious, or someone who is "on the fence"] to believe in Divine Providence when positive things happen. When negative things happen, those who believe will accept that they cannot understand the ways of G-D, while those who don't believe [or those who are on the fence] will simply mock religion.

For the record, when Dan posted the story of the guy who was saved from MH370 because he observed the Shabbos, there were many comments mocking the story.

Point is, if you don't believe, you don't believe. Heck,  some Jews who witnessed Krias Yam Suf also didn't believe.

[JoeCha]

Worth posting something like this: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00PC5S0PA/?tag=cl03f-20
With quotes from here: http://www.nfpa.org/safety-information/for-consumers/fire-and-safety-equipment/smoke-alarms
Or not worth the inevitable backlash?

Would be great if you post just the second link.
Stupid move to post the first link. Everyone knows "where" to buy smoke detectors. Some might (rightfully) get the wrong impression that you're trying to make money off a tragedy.

[elit]

Yuch. How could you say that? It took me 5 seconds to think of a friend that lost a lot of family in a car accident and almost his own life, and he's "recovered". Sure, life isn't the same for him, but with G-d's help, you learn how to move on.

Agree. Why would anyone say that? It's pointless, insensitive and dumb.... I've seen it too many times already..

[Dan]

Point is that people should invest in the dual CO+smoke detectors rather than get the freebies.

Amazon reviewers say the best that money can buy $33, seems like a good investment.

Either way I'm prob gonna punt. Too emotional of a topic.

[JoeCha]

Either way I'm prob gonna punt. Too emotional of a topic.

Good idea

[ChaimMoskowitz]

One of the basic tenets of Judaism is Divine Providence. If you believe in Dvine Providence, then you believe that everything that happens, good or bad, is in the hands of G-D.

It's very easy [for someone who is religious, or someone who is "on the fence"] to believe in Divine Providence when positive things happen. When negative things happen, those who believe will accept that they cannot understand the ways of G-D, while those who don't believe [or those who are on the fence] will simply mock religion.

For the record, when Dan posted the story of the guy who was saved from MH370 because he observed the Shabbos, there were many comments mocking the story.

Point is, if you don't believe, you don't believe. Heck,  some Jews who witnessed Krias Yam Suf also didn't believe.

We can go round and round on this and nothing will change. To think religion can have it both ways and not be called out on it is ridicules.

[elit]

We can go round and round on this and nothing will change. To think religion can have it both ways and not be called out on it is ridicules.

I think what you are mixing up (and many who give you that impression) is the why- which we don't have any clue either way, good or bad (though by good ppl think they see the correlation which is where i think the misperception comes from) and expressing publicly gratitude and thanks when something good happens, regardless of the why.

[moko]

We can go round and round on this and nothing will change. To think religion can have it both ways and not be called out on it is ridicules.

it will go round & round. It's been going that way for thousands of years.

[zale]

We can go round and round on this and nothing will change. To think religion can have it both ways and not be called out on it is ridicules.

Well my friend, I'm afraid a fellow from more than two thousand years ago has beat you to it:

The Talmud relates (Chulin 141a) a story that raises serious questions about the promised rewards of these commandments. Elisha ben Avuiah once observed a father telling his son to climb a ladder to a bird’s nest and send away the mother bird. The boy fell off the ladder and died. Elisha was stunned. The boy had been fulfilling the two commandments for which the Torah promises goodness and long life. How could he possibly fall to his death while doing these things? And thus Elisha became the famous apostate, “Acher”.

[shauly]

Any reason why not ? It's the law. Was this the 1st such story you heard?
Almost every Yom Tov there's such stories.

For some reason I don't ever really see them in apartments in Israel. We moved in a few months ago, and I never really even noticed or thought about the fact that we don't have.

[clear thinker]

For some reason I don't ever really see them in apartments in Israel. We moved in a few months ago, and I never really even noticed or thought about the fact that we don't have.

I remember when I learned in israel and was looking to buy carbon monoxide detecters, the store keepers were laughing they're head off they never heard of carbon monoxide! They were like what u can't smell or see it and it can kill???!!
גיי לערן א גוי בר טנורא........

[ChaimMoskowitz]

How could he possibly fall to his death while doing these things?

...and the answer is?