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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #75 on: March 27, 2015, 12:37:08 PM »
Funny I mentioned them and now (yesterday, actually) flightradar24 has given evidence to the authorities showing the plane went into auto-descent to 100 feet via autopilot.
I was actually wondering, how could FlightRadar now the autopilot was set to 100 ft? The ADS-B broadcasts the autopilot settings?
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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #76 on: March 27, 2015, 12:39:31 PM »
I was actually wondering, how could FlightRadar now the autopilot was set to 100 ft? The ADS-B broadcasts the autopilot settings?

No, but if they recorded a consistent pattern (dropping x feet every x minutes) then it would seem to be auto-pilot. The question is what the guy was doing/thinking at the time...
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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #77 on: March 27, 2015, 12:44:55 PM »
No, but if they recorded a consistent pattern (dropping x feet every x minutes) then it would seem to be auto-pilot. The question is what the guy was doing/thinking at the time...
But to know it was set to 100 ft? the plane crashed in terrain that was 2,000-6,000 ft...
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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #78 on: March 27, 2015, 12:45:50 PM »
I was actually wondering, how could FlightRadar now the autopilot was set to 100 ft? The ADS-B broadcasts the autopilot settings?

The "black box" orange box knows exactly what settings the A/P was set and changed too.

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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #79 on: March 27, 2015, 12:46:11 PM »
The "black box" orange box knows exactly what settings the A/P was set and changed too.
But they didn't find that one yet...
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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #80 on: March 27, 2015, 01:17:28 PM »
http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/27/europe/france-germanwings-plane-crash-main/index.html

What is a Dr's responsibility if they have a patient they think is too depressed to fly a plane?
Is he allowed to tell the employer? Does he have a duty to do so if he feels he'll put others at harm? Can he be sued for not doing so?
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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #81 on: March 27, 2015, 01:25:46 PM »
Wow,  how terrible must that doctor feel now. Responsible for all the deaths

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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #82 on: March 27, 2015, 01:59:32 PM »
But they didn't find that one yet...

FWIU they found the box but the memory card was missing (which sounds ridiculous BTW), please CMIIW.
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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #83 on: March 27, 2015, 02:05:14 PM »
FWIU they found the box but the memory card was missing (which sounds ridiculous BTW), please CMIIW.
Not so ridiculous if you consider it was smashed into a mountain at 700 MPH.
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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #84 on: March 27, 2015, 02:16:49 PM »
http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/27/europe/france-germanwings-plane-crash-main/index.html

What is a Dr's responsibility if they have a patient they think is too depressed to fly a plane?
Is he allowed to tell the employer? Does he have a duty to do so if he feels he'll put others at harm? Can he be sued for not doing so?

There are too many jurisdictions involved to have a comprehensive answer.     

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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #85 on: March 27, 2015, 02:46:06 PM »
Not so ridiculous if you consider it was smashed into a mountain at 700 MPH.
Isn't the whole point that it should withstand any crash ?

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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #86 on: March 27, 2015, 03:03:03 PM »
Is the company legally liable for a deliberate act by one of its employees?

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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #87 on: March 27, 2015, 03:08:52 PM »
Is the company legally liable for a deliberate act by one of its employees?
If it was negligent in vetting the employee, sure.
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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #88 on: March 27, 2015, 03:17:58 PM »
Isn't the whole point that it should withstand any crash ?
That would be asking for a bit much...

From the Wikipedia article:
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Currently, EUROCAE specifies that a recorder must be able to withstand an acceleration of 3400 g (33 km/sē) for 6.5 milliseconds. This is roughly equivalent to an impact velocity of 270 knots (310 mph) and a deceleration or crushing distance of 450 cm
I guess we should be thankful the voice recorded survived, albeit barely...
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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #89 on: March 27, 2015, 04:09:00 PM »
If it was negligent in vetting the employee, sure.
I'm not a transport attorney, but I'm pretty sure the Montreal Convention and applicable regulatory framework provide for liability and compensation in the event of death or injury (in a fixed amount) even if negligence by the carrier is not shown. That's not to say that families couldnt alsp pursue a separate claim of negligence against the airline or its parent based on negligence.
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