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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #90 on: March 27, 2015, 04:19:17 PM »
I'm not a transport attorney, but I'm pretty sure the Montreal Convention and applicable regulatory framework provide for liability and compensation in the event of death or injury (in a fixed amount) even if negligence by the carrier is not shown.
Indeed. But this may wind up going far beyond that.
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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #91 on: March 27, 2015, 04:22:32 PM »
Indeed. But this may wind up going far beyond that.

Looks like its headed to the Doctors:

Revealed: TWO doctors ruled Germanwings co-pilot was unfit for work on day of the disaster - but he kept it secret from airline
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3013743/Germanwings-pilot-slipped-safety-net-devastating-consequences.html
« Last Edit: March 27, 2015, 04:26:24 PM by ual902 »

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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #92 on: March 27, 2015, 04:39:26 PM »

That would be asking for a bit much...

From the Wikipedia article:I guess we should be thankful the voice recorded survived, albeit barely...

The only reason they "know" so much about the cause of the crash is because of the data recorder. You would think there would be streaming the data via satellite by now.

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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #93 on: March 27, 2015, 04:49:03 PM »
I guess we should be thankful the voice recorded survived, albeit barely...

I wouldn't say barely. The recording is kept in the cylinder part, and it looks to be in remarkably great shape. Especially considering the circumstances.

Diagram of black box design: https://cafeberitaonline.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/black-box1.jpg
« Last Edit: March 27, 2015, 04:54:38 PM by aradisc »

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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #94 on: March 27, 2015, 04:52:52 PM »
You would think there would be streaming the data via satellite by now.

All of the suggestions of streaming data or video wouldn't prevent any crashes. The only circumstances I can think of where it would help anything is MH370, but only to find the plane, not save anyone.

This one was not a huge mystery, the NY Times learned of the pilot lockout within 48hrs.

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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #95 on: March 27, 2015, 05:00:43 PM »
I wouldn't say barely. The recording is kept in the cylinder part, and it looks to be in remarkably great shape. Especially considering the circumstances.
True and as I said it is remarkable that it survived a crash 2 times as strong as it it was designed for, though I gotta say that is the most beat up Recorder I've ever seen...
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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #96 on: March 28, 2015, 07:45:28 PM »
New reports that the co-pilot was dumped by his girlfriend the day before he crashed the jet.
Cold blooded murderer!  :( http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/03/28/germanwings-co-pilot-dumped-by-girlfriend-day-before-crash-being-treated-for/

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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #97 on: March 28, 2015, 09:12:55 PM »
But to know it was set to 100 ft? the plane crashed in terrain that was 2,000-6,000 ft...
From the raw ADS-B data, it show that he set the altitude for 97ft, but their was a mountain at 2000/6000 ft so it crashed there....

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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #98 on: March 28, 2015, 09:15:32 PM »
From the raw ADS-B data, it show that he set the altitude for 97ft, but their was a mountain at 2000/6000 ft so it crashed there....
That was my question, since when does the ADS-B broadcast A/P settings?
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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #99 on: March 28, 2015, 09:21:11 PM »
That was my question, since when does the ADS-B broadcast A/P settings?
Flightradar24 posted that reviewing the data after the crash they found out this info and passed it on to the BEA and made it public 2 days later

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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #100 on: March 28, 2015, 10:33:05 PM »
Flightradar24 posted that reviewing the data after the crash they found out this info and passed it on to the BEA and made it public 2 days later
Where did they get this data from? AFAIK it isn't broadcasted by the ADS-B.

ETA: guess I was wrong...

http://forum.flightradar24.com/threads/8650-We-have-analysed-the-raw-data-from-the-transponder-of-4U9525-and-found-some-more-dat?
« Last Edit: March 28, 2015, 11:02:07 PM by Achas Veachas »
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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #101 on: March 28, 2015, 10:55:00 PM »
If it was negligent in vetting the employee, sure.
Families could also pursue a theory of negligence for not having a 2 crew-member policy, particularly if they should have been on notice following similar suspected incidents in the past involving other carriers.

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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #102 on: March 28, 2015, 11:06:52 PM »
There are too many jurisdictions involved to have a comprehensive answer.     
how many jurisdictions? German doctor treating German patient.

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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #103 on: March 28, 2015, 11:39:32 PM »
http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/27/europe/france-germanwings-plane-crash-main/index.html

What is a Dr's responsibility if they have a patient they think is too depressed to fly a plane?
Is he allowed to tell the employer? Does he have a duty to do so if he feels he'll put others at harm? Can he be sued for not doing so?
Obviously it depends on the law where the dr practices, but in America the precedent is set that the psychiatrist has a duty to protect someone whom he/she believes a patient has both ability and intent to harm (see http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarasoff_v._Regents_of_the_University_of_California). Complicated stuff no doubt about it, I'm sure this will spark change in how privacy is handled for medical patients with people's lives in their hands.

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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #104 on: March 28, 2015, 11:48:50 PM »
Complicated stuff no doubt about it, I'm sure this will spark change in discussion about how privacy is handled for medical patients with people's lives in their hands.
FTFY. Don't expect medical privacy laws to change so quickly.