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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #20 on: March 24, 2015, 05:11:45 PM »
From radar data.

So what is missing then? Radar transponders that can't be turned off?

I thought I read in the news previously that a distress signal was received approx. 30 minutes before they lost radar contact. That was misinformation?
They get their info from ADS-B not from radar

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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2015, 10:51:55 AM »


I don't get it, looks like they could have easily made it to MRS (or even NCE).

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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2015, 10:54:11 AM »


I don't get it, looks like they could have easily made it to MRS (or even NCE).
That's because you're assuming they had complete control of the plane.

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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2015, 08:22:38 PM »
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/world/europe/germanwings-airbus-crash.html

Crazy.  One pilot was locked out of the cockpit and the other unresponsive.  I wonder if we'll ever find out wth happened in there!

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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #25 on: March 25, 2015, 08:25:16 PM »
HALTERN, Germany What should have been a happy homecoming for teens returning from a trip abroad turned into a nightmare Tuesday as a community in northern Germany learned 16 of its high schoolers were aboard a flight which crashed into the French Alps.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/german-plane-crash/students-crash-n329356

Heartbreaking...

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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #26 on: March 25, 2015, 08:30:52 PM »
+1

Maybe the old guys should chime in. Is this more than it used to be?

Based on the wikipedia list of air incidents, it looks like it's quite a bit less than it used to be.  Probably because of safety standards and lessons learned from each crash. 

The perception of more incidents is probably due to social media and information overload...

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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #27 on: March 25, 2015, 08:35:04 PM »
Crazy.  One pilot was locked out of the cockpit and the other unresponsive.  I wonder if we'll ever find out wth happened in there!
What's crazy is that every iPhone has a find me feature and every subway station has video surveillance, and yet on 8-9 figure flying machines we have neither.
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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #28 on: March 25, 2015, 08:37:27 PM »
What's crazy is that every iPhone has a find me feature and every subway station has video surveillance, and yet on 8-9 figure flying machines we have neither.

Blame unions

http://www.wired.com/2014/07/malaysia-370-cockpit-camera/

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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #29 on: March 25, 2015, 09:04:09 PM »
Based on the wikipedia list of air incidents, it looks like it's quite a bit less than it used to be.  Probably because of safety standards and lessons learned from each crash. 

The perception of more incidents is probably due to social media and information overload...
It's actually a lot safer than that, while the number of incidents has gone down considerably, the number of flights has gone up exponentially, so percentage-wise the number of incidents has plummeted.

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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #31 on: March 25, 2015, 09:26:08 PM »
It's actually a lot safer than that, while the number of incidents has gone down considerably, the number of flights has gone up exponentially, so percentage-wise the number of incidents has plummeted.

Right. And if you look at the incidents, the rate of survival is much higher now. It's actually amazing how safe air travel is now...

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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #32 on: March 25, 2015, 09:45:45 PM »
Oh great, the Pilot was Malaysian! Anning Wong being named as pilot of doomed #Germanwings plane #4U9525 https://t.co/8ViYUOiU5S

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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #33 on: March 25, 2015, 10:05:04 PM »
Oh great, the Pilot was Malaysian! Anning Wong being named as pilot of doomed #Germanwings plane #4U9525 https://t.co/8ViYUOiU5S
Something is very weird, according to here he's a pilot for Air Baltic...

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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #34 on: March 25, 2015, 10:25:33 PM »
Also where did you get that he's Malaysian? Looks Chinese to me...

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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #35 on: March 25, 2015, 10:25:54 PM »
Here's a video about the A320 cockpit door unlocking procedure. 



Can lead to the conclusion that this was a malicious act...

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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #36 on: March 25, 2015, 10:44:50 PM »
Here's a video about the A320 cockpit door unlocking procedure. 



Can lead to the conclusion that this was a malicious act...

Wow. Interesting indeed. Thanks for sharing.

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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #37 on: March 25, 2015, 10:47:42 PM »
Here's a video about the A320 cockpit door unlocking procedure. 



Can lead to the conclusion that this was a malicious act...

Based on this video, the only way this can NOT be a malicious act is if the pilot in the cockpit was incapacitated and nobody in the crew remembered the emergency code.  They'll know that based on the buzzer sounds in the cockpit.   

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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #38 on: March 25, 2015, 10:54:25 PM »
While pilot suicide seems the most likely now it still sounds kinda strange. If I were a suicidal pilot wanting to take a plane down I would probably just put it into a roll and have it hit the ground in 30 seconds (sort of like EgyptAir Flight 990) before anyone knew what hit them. Why did he put the plane into a controlled 8 minute descent giving the pilot and crew plenty of time to try and stop him?

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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #39 on: March 25, 2015, 11:03:03 PM »
While pilot suicide seems the most likely now it still sounds kinda strange. If I were a suicidal pilot wanting to take a plane down I would probably just put it into a roll and have it hit the ground in 30 seconds (sort of like EgyptAir Flight 990) before anyone knew what hit them. Why did he put the plane into a controlled 8 minute descent giving the pilot and crew plenty of time to try and stop him?

I believe the Airbus system wouldn't allow that.  Such an attempt would get overridden...

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