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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #60 on: March 26, 2015, 01:28:09 PM »
n storing a picture of every mail piece or package that goes through USPS
they do?

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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #61 on: March 26, 2015, 01:28:39 PM »
Video is way more then still images and that's just recording and storing, live streaming the  data from anywhere in world would be a fortune and would demand a whole new infrastructure.
So each pilot gets an Ipad?  :P
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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #62 on: March 26, 2015, 01:34:00 PM »
Why is it that in the year 2015, there is no live video of every operating room being transmitted (and recorded) to a medical malpractice investigator base? Wouldn't this end all speculation about what happened, and give a clear picture?

Or insert ANY profession where there is a possibility of human mess-ups (namely any profession involving humans).

Do you have any idea how much data that would take to record, transmit, and store from every cockpit in the air?

Meh. Poor comparison.

How often do you hear of surgeons deliberately killing patients? How often is malpractice deliberate? A video would only be of benefit to an ambulance-chasing lawyer. Sounds like it would cause more damage than good.

If we had live video feeds of aircraft cockpits, we would know exactly what happened in the last three air disasters.


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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #63 on: March 26, 2015, 01:37:48 PM »
Meh. Poor comparison.

How often do you hear of surgeons deliberately killing patients? How often is malpractice deliberate? A video would only be of benefit to an ambulance-chasing lawyer. Sounds like it would cause more damage than good.

If we had live video feeds of aircraft cockpits, we would know exactly what happened in the last three air disasters.


How often is a plane crash the result of deliberate action by the pilot?

Planes have a hard enough time maintaining communication over some parts of the Atlantic in bad weather. Live streaming video would take making entirely new infrastructure...

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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #64 on: March 26, 2015, 01:43:51 PM »
And what if we had video footage confirming without a doubt that the co-pilot intentionally took down the plane, how would that help us?

We'd be informed, but who said this guy wouldn't have passed their psych screening?
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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #65 on: March 26, 2015, 01:44:38 PM »
How often is a plane crash the result of deliberate action by the pilot?

Planes have a hard enough time maintaining communication over some parts of the Atlantic in bad weather. Live streaming video would take making entirely new infrastructure...

I don't know enough about live streaming infastructure to argue with you. However, there is certainly no reason why they can't at least RECORD video the same way they record audio. Instead of saying "he was breathing, so he must have been conscious", you would actually be able to see what happened.

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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #66 on: March 26, 2015, 01:45:55 PM »
And what if we had video footage confirming without a doubt that the co-pilot intentionally took down the plane, how would that help us?

We'd be informed, but who said this guy wouldn't have passed their psych screening?
Everyone could sue claiming they should have had better test.  :)
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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #67 on: March 26, 2015, 01:46:53 PM »
Everyone could sue claiming they should have had better test.  :)

Victim's families will always sue and win FWIU. If this is just about giving them grounds for claims I think we can find cheaper methods.
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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #68 on: March 26, 2015, 01:48:41 PM »
And what if we had video footage confirming without a doubt that the co-pilot intentionally took down the plane, how would that help us?

We'd be informed, but who said this guy wouldn't have passed their psych screening?
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That would be a big expense and it won't even help with saving any lives. If you want them to invest have them invest in better screening...

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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #69 on: March 26, 2015, 01:56:40 PM »
And what if we had video footage confirming without a doubt that the co-pilot intentionally took down the plane, how would that help us?

We'd be informed, but who said this guy wouldn't have passed their psych screening?

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Let's face it, do we really know with absolute certainty that the co-pilot deliberately crashed the plane, or are we going with this theory because it makes the most sense based on the audio recording?

A video can not only reveal WHAT happened, but it can also reveal HOW and sometimes WHY.

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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #70 on: March 26, 2015, 02:17:27 PM »
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Let's face it, do we really know with absolute certainty that the co-pilot deliberately crashed the plane, or are we going with this theory because it makes the most sense based on the audio recording?

A video can not only reveal WHAT happened, but it can also reveal HOW and sometimes WHY.
It's all cost vs. benefit. How many lives would be saved by installing cameras? How much more information can be learned from video vs. voice recording? Can we spend this money in ways that will save more lives?

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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #71 on: March 27, 2015, 06:14:39 AM »
So each pilot gets an Ipad?  :P
Let's not even think how much slower the airplane WIFI would be if there were 2 ipads live recording ;D
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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #72 on: March 27, 2015, 11:45:19 AM »
I wonder how http://www.flightradar24.com/ gets their data?

Funny I mentioned them and now (yesterday, actually) flightradar24 has given evidence to the authorities showing the plane went into auto-descent to 100 feet via autopilot.
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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #73 on: March 27, 2015, 12:03:05 PM »
Funny I mentioned them and now (yesterday, actually) flightradar24 has given evidence to the authorities showing the plane went into auto-descent to 100 feet via autopilot.

The authorities might be reading DDF  :P


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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #75 on: March 27, 2015, 12:37:08 PM »
Funny I mentioned them and now (yesterday, actually) flightradar24 has given evidence to the authorities showing the plane went into auto-descent to 100 feet via autopilot.
I was actually wondering, how could FlightRadar now the autopilot was set to 100 ft? The ADS-B broadcasts the autopilot settings?

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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #76 on: March 27, 2015, 12:39:31 PM »
I was actually wondering, how could FlightRadar now the autopilot was set to 100 ft? The ADS-B broadcasts the autopilot settings?

No, but if they recorded a consistent pattern (dropping x feet every x minutes) then it would seem to be auto-pilot. The question is what the guy was doing/thinking at the time...
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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #77 on: March 27, 2015, 12:44:55 PM »
No, but if they recorded a consistent pattern (dropping x feet every x minutes) then it would seem to be auto-pilot. The question is what the guy was doing/thinking at the time...
But to know it was set to 100 ft? the plane crashed in terrain that was 2,000-6,000 ft...

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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #78 on: March 27, 2015, 12:45:50 PM »
I was actually wondering, how could FlightRadar now the autopilot was set to 100 ft? The ADS-B broadcasts the autopilot settings?

The "black box" orange box knows exactly what settings the A/P was set and changed too.

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Re: Germanwings flight 4U-9525 crashes in France
« Reply #79 on: March 27, 2015, 12:46:11 PM »
The "black box" orange box knows exactly what settings the A/P was set and changed too.
But they didn't find that one yet...