Wall of shame???

[Dan]

I've never been to any of their official programs so I don't know but I didn't get the feeling that bashing was their number one priority. I know they have the wall of shame but anytime I've heard anyone speak it was to encourage others to speak up and to help victims feel like they have a voice.

Is this incorrect?

That's correct, my wife went to their event in CLE.
The local community did not exactly endorse the event.

[sky121]

What about the children of the falsely accused?

Unfortunately, once someone makes an accusation it's already out there. You can't not look into things. You can't not investigate.
I feel awful imagining the families of falsely accused. I feel sick to my stomach thinking of the families of people rightly accused.


 

[sky121]

That's correct, my wife went to their event in CLE.
The local community did not exactly endorse the event.

The topic still makes people very uncomfortable. For obvious reasons and also because of the idea of being dan Lkaf zechus is so ingrained in us.

There could be plenty of evidence, multiple young children with the same story and the guy could be sitting in jail and people still tend to react defending the guy.   

And it's not that I don't get it. I do. One, no one wants to believe things like that. And two, what if the guy is innocent? I get it.
It's just creating an awful environment for victims.

Even with all that we're still not sure ...
It sure doesn't make for an encouraging safe place for a victim to come forward.

Things have to be balanced better.

And in the end I think ShlockDoc said it best "No system is perfect when humans are involved. "

We're hurting 100% of the victims for not encouraging them to have a voice. For not showing them as a community we have their back.



 

[aygart]

Unfortunately, once someone makes an accusation it's already out there. You can't not look into things. You can't not investigate.
I feel awful imagining the families of falsely accused. I feel sick to my stomach thinking of the families of people rightly accused.


 

Investigating is not the same as a wall of shame

[sky121]

That aside if the issue at hand is how well they are researching things and at what point they should post a person on the wall of shame that's a whole different discussion.

Does anyone here have information of how they decide or at what point that gets done?

[TimT]

Investigating is not the same as a wall of shame

How do they investigate these claims ? Some are from years ago. No evidence, no witnesses,  no surveillance cameras. It's all he said/she said

[ChaimMoskowitz]

During a case review, the lead investigator presents a summary of the case history and background, the investigation, its discoveries, and his own conclusions. The Committee is provided with copies of the case files and any evidence exhibits. Where necessary, the names of victims are redacted. If available, victim statements are sworn and notarized.  Additionally, and if necessary, victims are made available to the Committee for interviews. A unanimous recommendation of the six-member Investigative Committee is required in order to place an individual on the Wall of Shame. If the recommendation is not unanimous, the investigation is closed unless and until new evidence comes to light.

[zale]

I'm having trouble understanding Sima's full story.

She was R"L raped by a sick, sick man. A predator. A manipulator.

She could have gone to the police and had this man arrested and imprisoned for many years, but didn't want to hurt her Shidduch chances (something which I can certainly understand). Instead, she (and her parents) decided that she wants the issue to be dealt with quietly, without making a scene.

Four distinguished Rabbonim gave of their time to meet with her personally. They gave her "Reshus" to go to the police, but she did not want to do that. Now, Rabbonim don't own or operate any correctional facilities that I know of, and they don't have any legal power to punish this man. They did the best they can do under the circumstances, which was to quietly remove this man from his position, and place him in a position where he can (hopefully) no longer be in contact with young women. They personally arranged this, presumably without charge.

Years later, she suffered emotional trauma from this. The man who raped her was walking about a free man, and it was killing her inside. No therapist could help her as long as this man was walking free.

Perhaps someone can enlighten me. Why are those Rabbonim at fault here? Why is she saying "shame on them" in a public forum?

Shouldn't her parents have advised her to go to the police? Did they think that a beloved rabbi can simply be relocated to another place without anyone asking questions? What exactly did they THINK would happen?

[ChaimMoskowitz]

I'm having trouble understanding Sima's full story.

How old was this person? Link?

[zale]

How old was this person? Link?

I assume you are asking about the rapist. Here is a link: http://www.jewishcommunitywatch.org/wall-of-shame/sholom-levitansky/

[Dan]

How old was this person? Link?

http://youtu.be/wffN3mYWCCw

Everyone in the frum world should watch this video.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Perhaps someone can enlighten me. Why are those Rabbonim at fault here? Why is she saying "shame on them" in a public forum?

They should of convinced her to go to the police.

[Achas Veachas]

They should of convinced her to go to the police.

I would assume that's the parents' job, I obviously don't know the particulars of this case but there's only so much trust a young girl would place in a Rabbi she doesn't know that well...

[moshe87]

I assume you are asking about the rapist. Here is a link: http://www.jewishcommunitywatch.org/wall-of-shame/sholom-levitansky/

I was kind of intrigued that i didnt know who she was talking about... Thanks for ruining that run

[dealfinder85]

BH
I was kind of intrigued that i didnt know who she was talking about... Thanks for ruining that run

FTFY

[moshe87]

I was kind of intrigued that i didnt know who she was talking about... Thanks for ruining that run

FTFY

Dan, care to comment?

[dealfinder85]

Dan, care to comment?

why did you quote me?

[moshe87]

I tried to quote what you inserted in my post

[zale]

They should of convinced her to go to the police.

1. How do you know they didn't try to convince her?

2. She came to them in confidence because she did not want her name publicized. Going to the police would cause a huge media feeding frenzy. What better gift for the media than a story about a respected and beloved rabbi who raped young girls? How can the rabbis insist that she be put through this, especially when she begged them to keep it quiet?

3. "Should have". (Not "should of").

[ChaimMoskowitz]

I would assume that's the parents' job, I obviously don't know the particulars of this case but there's only so much trust a young girl would place in a Rabbi she doesn't know that well...

Watch the video. She put her trust in the four of them. They fail her and the community. They covered it up thinking they could handle it. This is a carbon copy of what the Catholic Church did. It did not work from them and it will not work now.