Author Topic: Security Safes (Read 2905 times)

springles · « **on:** March 30, 2015, 09:24:57 AM »

Todays Amazon deal that Dan posted prompted this thread. I have been looking for a safe for a while to keep important documents and other valuables inside. I would want a large enough one to keep jewelry in so I think the smaller ones that are really just for passports and a few documents wouldnt be good enough. Also, because I want to keep jewelry in it I would need to be able to get in on Shabbos so it has to have a manual entry (key/combination) that can open the safe, not electronic. I am more worried about fire and to a lesser degree water than I am about theft although that is always an added benefit of storing things in a safe. So anyone have any insight, advice, or experiences to share?

alexk. · « **Reply #1 on:** March 30, 2015, 09:48:16 AM »

Gardall Safes.

They have many sizes and options, many of which are manual with a key.

One recommendation I would make is, that these safes are very thick inside (for security reasons, obviously), and they are smaller inside than you think. So it may be worthwhile to size up a little bit, as you will end up using it more once you have it.

yitzf · « **Reply #2 on:** March 30, 2015, 09:48:36 AM »

It'll only protect from theft if you get the large ones that are bolted in, otherwise they will just take the whole locked safe.
I have a small one for documents that I leave unlock on purpose, so if anyone looks at it they'll see its nothing exciting.

I see these safes not as protecting your assets from theft, rather saving you the headache of having to replace all your documents and other perhaps irreplaceable heirlooms. For theft, I would just get insurance...

springles · « **Reply #3 on:** March 30, 2015, 10:23:38 AM »

Quote from: yitzf on March 30, 2015, 09:48:36 AM

It'll only protect from theft if you get the large ones that are bolted in, otherwise they will just take the whole locked safe.
I have a small one for documents that I leave unlock on purpose, so if anyone looks at it they'll see its nothing exciting.

I see these safes not as protecting your assets from theft, rather saving you the headache of having to replace all your documents and other perhaps irreplaceable heirlooms. For theft, I would just get insurance...

Thats why I said that the primary concern is fire and water, not theft.

springles · « **Reply #4 on:** March 30, 2015, 11:10:17 AM »

http://www.amazon.com/First-Alert-2092DF-Waterproof-Digital/dp/B000GAYUR8/ref=cm_cd_ql_qh_dp_t

http://www.amazon.com/SentrySafe-SFW123FUL-1-2-Cubic-Electronic-Resistant/dp/B00CIA3JXU/ref=pd_cp_hi_2

Looking at these 2 as options

springles · « **Reply #5 on:** March 30, 2015, 11:12:21 AM »

Quote from: alexk. on March 30, 2015, 09:48:16 AM

Gardall Safes.

They have many sizes and options, many of which are manual with a key.

One recommendation I would make is, that these safes are very thick inside (for security reasons, obviously), and they are smaller inside than you think. So it may be worthwhile to size up a little bit, as you will end up using it more once you have it.

they seem quite expensive

alexk. · « **Reply #6 on:** March 30, 2015, 12:00:42 PM »

Most likely you will get what you pay for...

It's a one time expense (hopefully) that may help you sleep a little better at night. That's what it sounds like you are looking for.

yesitsme · « **Reply #7 on:** March 30, 2015, 12:44:10 PM »

when you by a safe its recommended that the seller shouldn't know the buyer's info as there where many stories of sellers robbing the buyer knowing that the buyer has a safe probably for valuables,

My friend that bought a safe for his gun and has $-0 was (attempted) robbed by thieves that stole receipts from the "safe" store thinking he has a lot of valuables, fortunately he ran out from the side door and called the cops.

Dan · « **Reply #8 on:** March 30, 2015, 04:39:50 PM »

Quote from: springles on March 30, 2015, 09:24:57 AM

Todays Amazon deal that Dan posted prompted this thread. I have been looking for a safe for a while to keep important documents and other valuables inside. I would want a large enough one to keep jewelry in so I think the smaller ones that are really just for passports and a few documents wouldnt be good enough. Also, because I want to keep jewelry in it I would need to be able to get in on Shabbos so it has to have a manual entry (key/combination) that can open the safe, not electronic. I am more worried about fire and to a lesser degree water than I am about theft although that is always an added benefit of storing things in a safe. So anyone have any insight, advice, or experiences to share?

Maybe something like this?
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000Z8T7FQ/?tag=cl03f-20

EJB · « **Reply #9 on:** March 30, 2015, 04:41:01 PM »

Quote from: Dan on March 30, 2015, 04:39:50 PM

Maybe something like this?
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000Z8T7FQ/?tag=cl03f-20

Have that exact model

Got it 4 years ago and it works great

springles · « **Reply #10 on:** March 31, 2015, 12:55:35 PM »

Quote from: Dan on March 30, 2015, 04:39:50 PM

Maybe something like this?
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000Z8T7FQ/?tag=cl03f-20

that seems pretty cheap for the size, thanks. Does anyone know if the 1/2 hour vs. 1 hour fire protection is a big deal? Thats the only reason why I would be looking at this instead
I am going to look at costco tomorrow to see what they have first but this seems like a good option

Dan · « **Reply #11 on:** March 31, 2015, 12:57:59 PM »

Quote from: springles on March 31, 2015, 12:55:35 PM

that seems pretty cheap for the size, thanks

Was $96 yesterday when I posted it.

I'd assume that a fire would be under control within 30 minutes...

springles · « **Reply #12 on:** March 31, 2015, 01:01:03 PM »

Quote from: Dan on March 31, 2015, 12:57:59 PM

Was $96 yesterday when I posted it.

I'd assume that a fire would be under control within 30 minutes...

oh, at $96 I would have jumped on it

Dan · « **Reply #13 on:** March 31, 2015, 01:08:05 PM »

Try buying it and chatting with them to honor yesterday's price.

Dan · « **Reply #14 on:** April 01, 2015, 11:35:34 AM »

$96 again

Chaikel · « **Reply #15 on:** April 02, 2015, 06:26:09 PM »

These safes are not security safes. They are fire/flood safes, they are not designed to prevent theft, in fact the encourage it

springles · « **Reply #16 on:** April 13, 2015, 02:15:29 PM »

funny story, while cleaning my garage out erev pesach I found this safe there that I had mostly forgotten was there since i bought the house 10 years ago. It was locked and I dont have the key so I put it away and always meant to try and get a key to check it. I came across it a bunch of times over the last 10 years but always left it to deal with later. So now that I was looking for a safe and came across it I figured its time to deal with it. Still no key but a youtube search quickly taught me how to pick the lock using a nail clipper (these are really not to safeguard against theft). So now I have a safe to store my documents in to protect from fire. I am not sure if I should order a key (costs like $20) or just rely on the nail clipper, worried that my wife might need a document when I am not home and wont be able to pick the lock as easily as I did.

yitrap · « **Reply #17 on:** April 13, 2015, 06:18:55 PM »

Quote from: springles on April 13, 2015, 02:15:29 PM

funny story, while cleaning my garage out erev pesach I found this safe there that I had mostly forgotten was there since i bought the house 10 years ago. It was locked and I dont have the key so I put it away and always meant to try and get a key to check it. I came across it a bunch of times over the last 10 years but always left it to deal with later. So now that I was looking for a safe and came across it I figured its time to deal with it. Still no key but a youtube search quickly taught me how to pick the lock using a nail clipper (these are really not to safeguard against theft). So now I have a safe to store my documents in to protect from fire. I am not sure if I should order a key (costs like $20) or just rely on the nail clipper, worried that my wife might need a document when I am not home and wont be able to pick the lock as easily as I did.

If you were able to do it with nail clippers go into any locksmith and ask him for a blank key that will fit the key way or one that he doesn't need... With a little fiddling it should work...

springles · « **Reply #18 on:** April 14, 2015, 02:44:23 PM »

Quote from: yitrap on April 13, 2015, 06:18:55 PM

If you were able to do it with nail clippers go into any locksmith and ask him for a blank key that will fit the key way or one that he doesn't need... With a little fiddling it should work...

not sure you are right, I had a key that i was able to get in but it didnt work to open even with fiddling. But I will ask a locksmith

yitrap · « **Reply #19 on:** April 14, 2015, 02:58:56 PM »

Quote from: springles on April 14, 2015, 02:44:23 PM

not sure you are right, I had a key that i was able to get in but it didnt work to open even with fiddling. But I will ask a locksmith

Explain the situation to the locksmith he may be able to find something for you