Author Topic: Random questions.  (Read 987753 times)

Online CountValentine

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Mar 2013
  • Posts: 16650
  • Total likes: 7482
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips -1
  • Gender: Female
    • View Profile
  • Location: Poland - Exiled
  • Programs: DAOTYA, DDF Level 3, 5K Lounge
Re: Random questions.
« Reply #5600 on: September 10, 2021, 09:35:48 AM »
Completely handwritten with a quill
Yes. By a professionally trained religious scribe.
That's why they cost tens of thousands of dollars.
They are good!!!
How long on average does it take?
Only on DDF does 24/6 mean 24/5/half/half

Offline MeirS

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Jun 2013
  • Posts: 2555
  • Total likes: 193
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 1
    • View Profile
Re: Random questions.
« Reply #5601 on: September 10, 2021, 09:48:49 AM »
They are good!!!
How long on average does it take?
I think on average about a year. Depending on how many hours they spend.

I'm told the standard of a good Sofer is about 4 minutes for each line so about 15 lines per hour.
A Sefer Torah has about 248 columns, each column has about 42 lines.

I think it comes to about 700 hours of labor.

Online aygart

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 18434
  • Total likes: 14611
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 14
    • View Profile
    • Lower Watt Energy Brokers
  • Programs: www.lowerwatt.com
Re: Random questions.
« Reply #5602 on: September 10, 2021, 09:49:00 AM »
Yes. By a professionally trained religious scribe.
That's why they cost tens of thousands of dollars.
The closest analogy would probably be a calligraphy artist
Feelings don't care about your facts

Offline MeirS

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Jun 2013
  • Posts: 2555
  • Total likes: 193
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 1
    • View Profile
Re: Random questions.
« Reply #5603 on: September 10, 2021, 06:45:03 PM »
Is the Sefer Torah completely handwritten. The reason I ask is I seen a video of one destroyed in the recent flooding and it was so neat it look as if it was printed by a machine.
https://anash.org/greensboro-chabad-welcomed-new-year-with-new-torah/

This is an article posted today with some interesting information on the topic.

Online CountValentine

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Mar 2013
  • Posts: 16650
  • Total likes: 7482
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips -1
  • Gender: Female
    • View Profile
  • Location: Poland - Exiled
  • Programs: DAOTYA, DDF Level 3, 5K Lounge
Re: Random questions.
« Reply #5604 on: September 10, 2021, 07:10:01 PM »
https://anash.org/greensboro-chabad-welcomed-new-year-with-new-torah/

This is an article posted today with some interesting information on the topic.
Very informative.
I guess the question is why not just have a printing press do it?
Is there something in Judaism that requires this or doing it this way makes it very special?
Only on DDF does 24/6 mean 24/5/half/half

Offline Dan

  • Administrator
  • Dansdeals Lifetime 50K Diamond Elite
  • **********
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 68924
  • Total likes: 17308
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 16442
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Location: CLE
  • Programs: UA GS, AA EXP, DL Dirt, Hyatt Glob, Fairmont Lifetime Plat, DD Diamond, Blocked By @NeriaKraus
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

Offline MeirS

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Jun 2013
  • Posts: 2555
  • Total likes: 193
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 1
    • View Profile
Re: Random questions.
« Reply #5606 on: September 11, 2021, 08:54:09 PM »
Very informative.
I guess the question is why not just have a printing press do it?
Is there something in Judaism that requires this or doing it this way makes it very special?
Judaism requires every letter in the Torah to be written לשם קדושת ספר תורה (for the sake of the sanctity of the Torah) and every part of G-Ds holy name mentioned in the Torah to be written לשם קדושת השם (for the sake of the sanctity of G-Ds holy name).
In other words, you have to write it with the intention of it being a Torah and with the intention of it being G-Ds name.
Therefore it can't be printed on a press (which has no thoughts) or by someone who doesn't believe in G-D or the sanctity of the Torah.
Additionally, while many of the mistakes which can come up in a Torah are identifiable in a check-up, or during the weekly Torah reading, knowing what was in the mind of the scribe can not be checked. Therefore people are very scruples to only commission a Torah from someone who you know to be extremely G-D fearing, (at least to the best of your knowledge).
The same would go for the making of Tefillin and Mezuzot.

Offline th0306

  • Dansdeals Gold Elite
  • ***
  • Join Date: Sep 2015
  • Posts: 216
  • Total likes: 62
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
    • View Profile
Re: Random questions.
« Reply #5607 on: September 11, 2021, 09:12:38 PM »
Judaism requires every letter in the Torah to be written לשם קדושת ספר תורה (for the sake of the sanctity of the Torah) and every part of G-Ds holy name mentioned in the Torah to be written לשם קדושת השם (for the sake of the sanctity of G-Ds holy name).
In other words, you have to write it with the intention of it being a Torah and with the intention of it being G-Ds name.
Therefore it can't be printed on a press (which has no thoughts) or by someone who doesn't believe in G-D or the sanctity of the Torah.
Additionally, while many of the mistakes which can come up in a Torah are identifiable in a check-up, or during the weekly Torah reading, knowing what was in the mind of the scribe can not be checked. Therefore people are very scruples to only commission a Torah from someone who you know to be extremely G-D fearing, (at least to the best of your knowledge).
The same would go for the making of Tefillin and Mezuzot.

Even more so - because they have to be written Kesidran - in order, as opposed to a Sefer Torah which does not need to be written in order.

This is something that cannot be seen once written and is a big loss to the Sofer - thus the need to rely on his Yiras Shamayim.

Offline yesitsme

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Dec 2014
  • Posts: 5116
  • Total likes: 2238
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 4
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: Random questions.
« Reply #5608 on: September 13, 2021, 11:35:54 PM »
why does Eli pretend that its his brainstorm? he has a great impact but its a copycat from what was already done here in NY
https://hatzalahraffle.com/?af=pr83

The original Hatzalah EMS was founded in Williamsburg, Brooklyn, New York, USA by Rabbi Hershel Weber in the late 1960s
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatzalah

United Hatzalah of Israel was founded in 2006
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Hatzalah

BTW FYI Very important
Quote
Legal status
In the United Kingdom, Hatzalah cannot use blue lights and sirens on their private vehicles.[18]

In England, all Hatzalah chapters are CQC registered, and they have MoU with local police forces with regards to use of blue lights and sirens, if certain criteria are met. Like any other emergency service, this does not mitigate if a collision occurs, and the service and its members can be prosecuted if deemed to be in the public interest.[citation needed]

In New York, Hatzalah usually use red and blue lights and sirens, like normal unmarked emergency vehicles. In New Jersey, Hatzalah usually use blue lights. [19]

In Toronto, Hatzalah use green lights, having the same legal status as volunteer firefighters who also use green lights in their vehicles.[20]

In Australia, Hatzalah are trained as Community First Responders and while they are tasked by the professional services to respond to emergencies, cannot use flashing lights and/or sirens and must obey all traffic rules.
Choose the department that fits your needs

Quote
I met two guys from Engine 39. They brought me to EMS, the Hezbollah [sic] ambulance.
« Last Edit: September 13, 2021, 11:43:45 PM by yesitsme »
["-"]

Offline Happyguy

  • Dansdeals Platinum Elite + Lifetime Silver Elite
  • *****
  • Join Date: Sep 2018
  • Posts: 674
  • Total likes: 580
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
    • View Profile
Re: Random questions.
« Reply #5609 on: September 19, 2021, 08:49:57 AM »
why does Eli pretend that its his brainstorm? he has a great impact but its a copycat from what was already done here in NY
https://hatzalahraffle.com/?af=pr83

The original Hatzalah EMS was founded in Williamsburg, Brooklyn, New York, USA by Rabbi Hershel Weber in the late 1960s
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatzalah

United Hatzalah of Israel was founded in 2006
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Hatzalah

They are similar but they were both created for slightly different reasons. Hatzala in the US was created to have a local fast ambulance service for one specific community (Satmar). Ichud was intended to be nationwide, in order to speed up the time of a medic being at the site. Hatzala's goal has never been that and thats why each community has its separate Hatzala organisation - no one is interested in making it nationwide in the US or Europe.

Online aygart

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 18434
  • Total likes: 14611
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 14
    • View Profile
    • Lower Watt Energy Brokers
  • Programs: www.lowerwatt.com
Re: Random questions.
« Reply #5610 on: September 19, 2021, 11:12:00 AM »
They are similar but they were both created for slightly different reasons. Hatzala in the US was created to have a local fast ambulance service for one specific community (Satmar). Ichud was intended to be nationwide, in order to speed up the time of a medic being at the site. Hatzala's goal has never been that and thats why each community has its separate Hatzala organisation - no one is interested in making it nationwide in the US or Europe.
I am not understanding the difference
Feelings don't care about your facts

Offline yesitsme

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Dec 2014
  • Posts: 5116
  • Total likes: 2238
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 4
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: Random questions.
« Reply #5611 on: September 19, 2021, 11:14:38 AM »
the original idea of a Fly car is from?
not from united Hatzalah
["-"]

Offline Happyguy

  • Dansdeals Platinum Elite + Lifetime Silver Elite
  • *****
  • Join Date: Sep 2018
  • Posts: 674
  • Total likes: 580
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
    • View Profile
Re: Random questions.
« Reply #5612 on: September 19, 2021, 12:00:14 PM »
I am not understanding the difference
Its like a guy who lives in a little town deciding to open a grocery store for people not to shlep to a nearby town for there groceries versus a guy who wants to open hypermarkets all over the US as he believes the prices and quality of products isn't competitive enough.

Online aygart

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 18434
  • Total likes: 14611
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 14
    • View Profile
    • Lower Watt Energy Brokers
  • Programs: www.lowerwatt.com
Re: Random questions.
« Reply #5613 on: September 19, 2021, 12:01:43 PM »
Its like a guy who lives in a little town deciding to open a grocery store for people not to shlep to a nearby town for there groceries versus a guy who wants to open hypermarkets all over the US as he believes the prices and quality of products isn't competitive enough.
How so?
Feelings don't care about your facts

Offline Happyguy

  • Dansdeals Platinum Elite + Lifetime Silver Elite
  • *****
  • Join Date: Sep 2018
  • Posts: 674
  • Total likes: 580
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
    • View Profile
Re: Random questions.
« Reply #5614 on: September 19, 2021, 12:07:44 PM »
How so?

They are similar but they were both created for slightly different reasons. Hatzala in the US was created to have a local fast ambulance service for one specific community (Satmar). Ichud was intended to be nationwide, in order to speed up the time of a medic being at the site. Hatzala's goal has never been that and thats why each community has its separate Hatzala organisation - no one is interested in making it nationwide in the US or Europe.

Online aygart

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 18434
  • Total likes: 14611
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 14
    • View Profile
    • Lower Watt Energy Brokers
  • Programs: www.lowerwatt.com
Re: Random questions.
« Reply #5615 on: September 19, 2021, 12:11:09 PM »

There is no comparison at all. Tri-state coverage is probably larger than the entire Israel
Feelings don't care about your facts

Offline Happyguy

  • Dansdeals Platinum Elite + Lifetime Silver Elite
  • *****
  • Join Date: Sep 2018
  • Posts: 674
  • Total likes: 580
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
    • View Profile
Re: Random questions.
« Reply #5616 on: September 19, 2021, 12:15:50 PM »
There is no comparison at all. Tri-state coverage is probably larger than the entire Israel
Hatzolo in the US is only geared for frum Jews. Granted that if a goy will call they will come even on Shabbos AFAIK but they aren't targeting that audience. Ichud are made up of all stripes and colors, Charedi, Chardal, Dati Leumi, Chiloni and Arab and are targeting all those people.

Online aygart

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 18434
  • Total likes: 14611
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 14
    • View Profile
    • Lower Watt Energy Brokers
  • Programs: www.lowerwatt.com
Re: Random questions.
« Reply #5617 on: September 19, 2021, 12:22:02 PM »
Hatzolo in the US is only geared for frum Jews. Granted that if a goy will call they will come even on Shabbos AFAIK but they aren't targeting that audience. Ichud are made up of all stripes and colors, Charedi, Chardal, Dati Leumi, Chiloni and Arab and are targeting all those people.
I am totally unfamiliar. What is the difference between them and MDA?
Feelings don't care about your facts

Offline Happyguy

  • Dansdeals Platinum Elite + Lifetime Silver Elite
  • *****
  • Join Date: Sep 2018
  • Posts: 674
  • Total likes: 580
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
    • View Profile
Re: Random questions.
« Reply #5618 on: September 19, 2021, 01:07:09 PM »
I am totally unfamiliar. What is the difference between them and MDA?
MDA is the official ambulance service of Israel. Ichud is a private run, volunteer service. Like Hatzala, Ichud members can have full time jobs in other sectors. Because of this, the response time for Ichud is faster then MDA. As it became a competition to MDA, there has been much politics between the two organisations. However, in recent years tensions have somewhat calmed and they have made some agreements. There are still some strange rules in place due to this. If one wants a Ichud ambulance, they first have to call MDA first.

However, one can cancel the MDA ambulance and then the Ichud one will come. This can make quite a big difference as Ichud's response is quicker and they don't charge for their services unlike MDA who do (sometimes one can get back the money from Bituach Leumi - depending on what it was for).

Nothing like Israeli beuracracy ;D

Offline EliJelly

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Jan 2019
  • Posts: 3166
  • Total likes: 3593
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 1
    • View Profile
Re: Random questions.
« Reply #5619 on: September 19, 2021, 01:09:46 PM »
Hatzolo in the US is only geared for frum Jews. Granted that if a goy will call they will come even on Shabbos AFAIK but they aren't targeting that audience. Ichud are made up of all stripes and colors, Charedi, Chardal, Dati Leumi, Chiloni and Arab and are targeting all those people.
Are the volunteers also from all these demographics?