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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #5680 on: November 07, 2021, 02:58:20 AM »
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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #5681 on: November 07, 2021, 11:20:54 AM »
If a religious Jew served on a jury would they be able decide on the facts of the case even if it went against the Torah?
I hope no one takes this the wrong way.
Some Catholics would not be able to decide just on the facts. Their religious beliefs would take over.
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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #5682 on: November 07, 2021, 11:28:46 AM »
If a religious Jew served on a jury would they be able decide on the facts of the case even if it went against the Torah?
I hope no one takes this the wrong way.
Some Catholics would not be able to decide just on the facts. Their religious beliefs would take over.
we would judge based on law of land see link below please note as any lawyer would say depending on facts of the case it depends https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dina_d%27malkhuta_dina

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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #5683 on: November 07, 2021, 11:31:41 AM »
we would judge based on law of land see link below please note as any lawyer would say depending on facts of the case it depends https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dina_d%27malkhuta_dina
Thanks but: This general principle is subject, however, to the qualifications that the government enacting the law must be one which is recognized by Jewish law as having legitimacy; the law must apply equitably to all the inhabitants, Jewish and non-Jewish alike; and the law must not contravene the spirit of the laws derived from the Torah even if a particular regulation may be contrary to a provision of Jewish law.
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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #5684 on: November 07, 2021, 11:33:22 AM »
Thanks but: This general principle is subject, however, to the qualifications that the government enacting the law must be one which is recognized by Jewish law as having legitimacy; the law must apply equitably to all the inhabitants, Jewish and non-Jewish alike; and the law must not contravene the spirit of the laws derived from the Torah even if a particular regulation may be contrary to a provision of Jewish law.
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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #5685 on: November 07, 2021, 11:34:20 AM »
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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #5686 on: November 07, 2021, 11:36:28 AM »
If a religious Jew served on a jury would they be able decide on the facts of the case even if it went against the Torah?
I hope no one takes this the wrong way.
Some Catholics would not be able to decide just on the facts. Their religious beliefs would take over.

Could you give a practical example?

(On a side note, most religious Jews with a bit of common sense would figure out how to avoid being picked for such a jury. Grand jury is the exception, but there it's only a decision of whether to indict or not).
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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #5687 on: November 07, 2021, 11:38:04 AM »
Why does this thread, out of so many DDF threads, have the rare feature of a period (full stop in the Queen's English, IINM) at the end of the title?
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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #5688 on: November 07, 2021, 11:39:09 AM »
Why does this thread, out of so many DDF threads, have the rare feature of a period (full stop in the Queen's English, IINM) at the end of the title?
Been discussed before

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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #5689 on: November 07, 2021, 11:41:07 AM »
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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #5690 on: November 07, 2021, 11:41:36 AM »
If a religious Jew served on a jury would they be able decide on the facts of the case even if it went against the Torah?
I hope no one takes this the wrong way.
Some Catholics would not be able to decide just on the facts. Their religious beliefs would take over.
here’s the question I asked my rav (rabbi stein from 5towns for those who want to know): If a yid is on jury duty, is he allowed to side with a secular law or concept when it’s against the torah/ Halacha in some way?
His answer: no
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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #5691 on: November 07, 2021, 11:43:40 AM »
Could you give a practical example?
Probably could but won't as we know what will happen. Just asking in general.

Why?
(On a side note, most religious Jews with a bit of common sense would figure out how to avoid being picked for such a jury).
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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #5692 on: November 07, 2021, 11:45:14 AM »
here’s the question I asked my rav (rabbi stein from 5towns for those who want to know): If a yid is on jury duty, is he allowed to side with a secular law or concept when it’s against the torah/ Halacha in some way?
His answer: no
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This is what I assumed.
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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #5693 on: November 07, 2021, 11:47:40 AM »
This is what I assume.
to be honest I initially assumed like what @yeshivabucher said , but I did what I should do and asked my LOR
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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #5694 on: November 07, 2021, 11:47:52 AM »
Link?
Why does the title of the "Random questions" thread have a period?
Random posts thread title has no period
Random questions thread title has a period.

Why?
Note that simultaneous with Fishy's above post, he put an identical one on the "Random posts" thread, but without the word "why" at the end.

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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #5695 on: November 07, 2021, 11:50:04 AM »
to be honest I initially assumed like what @yeshivabucher said , but I did what I should do and asked my LOR
It seems your LOR confirmed what was in @yeshivabucher link.
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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #5696 on: November 07, 2021, 12:12:56 PM »
Note that simultaneous with Fishy's above post, he put an identical one on the "Random posts" thread, but without the word "why" at the end.

I thought I had it all figured out :)
After dizzly swaying back and forth I think I figured it out!
It's the same reason the second word is capitalized in the Random Posts thread vs the Random questions. thread. But who really knows when it's the meshugener vs ChaimMoskowitz ;)
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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #5697 on: November 07, 2021, 12:16:12 PM »
Probably could but won't as we know what will happen. Just asking in general.

Why?

Are you asking why would a religious Jew make sure not to get picked for a jury where secular law might go against Halacha?

There's a Jewish expression that says "וואס דארף מען לייגן א געזונטע קאפ אין א קראנקן בעט?" - why rest a healthy head in a sick bed?

If a complicated situation is easily avoidable altogether, why not just avoid the situation rather than get into it and face the complications?
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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #5698 on: November 07, 2021, 12:23:55 PM »
Are you asking why would a religious Jew make sure not to get picked for a jury where secular law might go against Halacha?

There's a Jewish expression that says "וואס דארף מען לייגן א געזונטע קאפ אין א קראנקן בעט?" - why rest a healthy head in a sick bed?

If a complicated situation is easily avoidable altogether, why not just avoid the situation rather than get into it and face the complications?
Yes to the first question.
If the Torah allows you to decide on secular law when being on jury duty I see no issue.
From the answers I have been getting it seems that is not the case. Then of course they should avoid jury duty. If they can't decide the case on secular law I can't see them ever being picked for jury duty.
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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #5699 on: November 07, 2021, 12:28:33 PM »
Yes to the first question.
If the Torah allows you to decide on secular law when being on jury duty I see no issue.
From the answers I have been getting it seems that is not the case. Then of course they should avoid jury duty. If they can't decide the case on secular law I can't see them ever being picked for jury duty.
you see there’s 2 dinim here: when it goes against torah law we can’t rule against it, but when it doesn’t we’re still ruling according to secular law and not torah law , you chap?
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