Author Topic: Crazy Summer Camp Contract (Read 4218 times)

Yehuda25 · « **on:** April 13, 2015, 07:22:54 PM »

I just saw a contract for a summer camp and... wow, is this even legal? Check out this part

Staff Member shall not offer, solicit, or induce, either directly or indirectly, verbally, in writing or by any electronic transmission, including, but not limited to, texting, email, social networking, any of the campers, other employees or patrons of Employer for a period of three years after termination of this Agreement. This shall include, but not be limited to, encouraging campers or other employees to attend another camp, whether day or residential, or any other program, including any travel or teen tour program offered during the months of June, July or August.

Freddie · « **Reply #1 on:** April 13, 2015, 07:25:15 PM »

Definitely sounds like they've been burned before.

Does that shed any light?

good sam · « **Reply #2 on:** April 13, 2015, 07:26:29 PM »

Does it also restrict you from opening a camp? If not this is a pretty permissive non-compete.

Yehuda25 · « **Reply #3 on:** April 13, 2015, 07:26:30 PM »

Quote from: Freddie on April 13, 2015, 07:25:15 PM

Definitely sounds like they've been burned before.

Does that shed any light?

I Dont know, its the shma camps (http://shmacamps.org/) sternberg/ heller/ magen av,

Yehuda25 · « **Reply #4 on:** April 13, 2015, 07:27:13 PM »

Quote from: good sam on April 13, 2015, 07:26:29 PM

Does it also restrict you from opening a camp? If not this is a pretty permissive non-compete.

I have seen many no-competes, none like this.

Achas Veachas · « **Reply #5 on:** April 13, 2015, 07:27:50 PM »

Quote from: Freddie on April 13, 2015, 07:25:15 PM

Definitely sounds like they've been burned before.

Does that shed any light?

But for 3 years? That means if I was a counselor there one year, and 3 years later I became head counselor in another camp I can't hire anyone who was there the same year as me...

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #6 on:** April 13, 2015, 07:28:06 PM »

Why not just make it for life?

Yehuda25 · « **Reply #7 on:** April 13, 2015, 07:30:26 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on April 13, 2015, 07:28:06 PM

Why not just make it for life?

Yehuda25 · « **Reply #8 on:** April 13, 2015, 07:31:00 PM »

Quote from: Achas Veachas on April 13, 2015, 07:27:50 PM

But for 3 years? That means if I was a counselor there one year, and 3 years later I became head counselor in another camp I can't hire anyone who was there the same year as me...

I assume 3 years later would be fine

ShlockDoc · « **Reply #9 on:** April 13, 2015, 07:32:13 PM »

This is a little over the top. Try to strike through it and sign anyway. They may not notice.

Achas Veachas · « **Reply #10 on:** April 13, 2015, 07:32:47 PM »

Quote from: Yehuda25 on April 13, 2015, 07:31:00 PM

I assume 3 years later would be fine

Quote from: Achas Veachas on April 13, 2015, 07:27:50 PM

But for 3 years? That means if I was a counselor there one year, and 2 years later I became head counselor in another camp I can't hire anyone who was there the same year as me...

FTFM.
Doesn't make it any less strange...

Yehuda25 · « **Reply #11 on:** April 13, 2015, 07:39:23 PM »

Quote from: ShlockDoc on April 13, 2015, 07:32:13 PM

This is a little over the top. Try to strike through it and sign anyway. They may not notice.

or never sign

aarony · « **Reply #12 on:** April 13, 2015, 08:05:02 PM »

Many non competes are not enforceable. Not sure about this one but if the pay is minimal it is very unlikely that a judge would let it stand

Yehuda25 · « **Reply #13 on:** April 13, 2015, 08:05:56 PM »

Quote from: aarony on April 13, 2015, 08:05:02 PM

Many non competes are not enforceable. Not sure about this one but if the pay is minimal it is very unlikely that a judge would let it stand

thats the joke, I forgot to mention the pay for this one is $150 a month

avrumy22 · « **Reply #14 on:** April 13, 2015, 08:33:14 PM »

I've been in camps for 10 years and never saw something like this. Maybe if enough ppl protest it they will change it. It's just not right IMHO.

yid · « **Reply #15 on:** April 13, 2015, 08:42:15 PM »

Quote from: aarony on April 13, 2015, 08:05:02 PM

Many non competes are not enforceable. Not sure about this one but if the pay is minimal it is very unlikely that a judge would let it stand

+1
legally they can put any clause in there, whether a judge will uphold it is a different story- , this one seems like it is worthless as it is clearly unreasonably broad, prob best to cross out the clause, often no one even checks if you modify language on these type of form contracts, if all else fails don't think there is harm in signing it if you have to.

Yehuda25 · « **Reply #16 on:** April 13, 2015, 08:50:01 PM »

Quote from: avrumy22 on April 13, 2015, 08:33:14 PM

I've been in camps for 10 years and never saw something like this. Maybe if enough ppl protest it they will change it. It's just not right IMHO.

Very true, I was thinking of sending it to a news outlet,any suggestions?

avromie7 · « **Reply #17 on:** April 13, 2015, 09:00:02 PM »

Quote from: Yehuda25 on April 13, 2015, 08:50:01 PM

Very true, I was thinking of sending it to a news outlet,any suggestions?

If you mean Jewish your best chance of getting it published is vosizneias

Yehuda25 · « **Reply #18 on:** April 13, 2015, 09:11:52 PM »

Quote from: avromie7 on April 13, 2015, 09:00:02 PM

If you mean Jewish your best chance of getting it published is vosizneias

will try, ill keep the post updated as to if it gets published.

ShlockDoc · « **Reply #19 on:** April 13, 2015, 09:15:30 PM »

Quote from: Yehuda25 on April 13, 2015, 08:50:01 PM

Very true, I was thinking of sending it to a news outlet,any suggestions?

I don't get it, what's the news? That a company put a strict clause into a contract, happens every second of every day. At least take it up with them and give them a chance to respond or make changes before going to a news site.