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Kosher Switch
« on: April 14, 2015, 02:58:19 AM »
I saw this link and wanted to know what other members thought (intended as a GD, not JS discussion :) )

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/kosherswitch-control-electricity-on-shabbat

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Re: Kosher Switch
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2015, 03:28:01 AM »
I saw this link and wanted to know what other members thought (intended as a GD, not JS discussion :) )

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/kosherswitch-control-electricity-on-shabbat
Just a couple of thoughts...

Even though its Halachicly okay it just doesn't feel Shabbosdik, and that may be because you grow up knowing you don't touch a switch on Shabbos but fact is thats how it feels.

Another issue is that it can very easily confuse kids who might start using all switches or cause a laxity regarding other light switches.

Lastly it can be an issue with Ma'ars Eyin although generally whoever sees you doing it will probably be around you so you'll be able to explain it.

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Re: Kosher Switch
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2015, 03:44:01 AM »
1) Even though its Halachicly okay it just doesn't feel Shabbosdik, and that may be because you grow up knowing you don't touch a switch on Shabbos but fact is thats how it feels.

2) Another issue is that it can very easily confuse kids who might start using all switches or cause a laxity regarding other light switches.

3) Lastly it can be an issue with Ma'ars Eyin although generally whoever sees you doing it will probably be around you so you'll be able to explain it.

You're 100% correct. but it's a nice idea.
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Re: Kosher Switch
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2015, 03:51:50 AM »
You're 100% correct. but it's a nice idea.
+1 to both of you.

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Re: Kosher Switch
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2015, 03:53:48 AM »
Shabbos timers weren't shabbosdik once upon a time either.
And the way he went about it makes me hope that it is a success. The correct way to wade through the dangerous waters of religious innovation.

Also, repost!

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Re: Kosher Switch
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2015, 05:08:38 AM »
Shabbos timers weren't shabbosdik once upon a time either.
And the way he went about it makes me hope that it is a success. The correct way to wade through the dangerous waters of religious innovation.

Also, repost!

I know but with a Shabbos timer after everything said and done it goes automatically, before electricity the candle used to eventually burn out as well here you are physically doing something...

I agree, its definitely quite evident that he did a lot of research/is very knowledgeable in Halacha and respects Da'as Torah very much.

Aha! I was wondering where I saw it...

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Re: Kosher Switch
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2015, 05:56:56 AM »
Just a couple of thoughts...

Even though its Halachicly okay it just doesn't feel Shabbosdik, and that may be because you grow up knowing you don't touch a switch on Shabbos but fact is thats how it feels.

Another issue is that it can very easily confuse kids who might start using all switches or cause a laxity regarding other light switches.

Lastly it can be an issue with Ma'ars Eyin although generally whoever sees you doing it will probably be around you so you'll be able to explain it.

Sounds like an eruv.

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Re: Kosher Switch
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2015, 06:03:45 AM »


intended as a GD, not JS discussion
Let's see that happen

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Re: Kosher Switch
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2015, 06:06:25 AM »
Also, repost!
Really? I searched "kosher switch" Google and the forum search. Where is the first one?
Let's see that happen

So far so good :)

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Re: Kosher Switch
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2015, 08:01:15 AM »
I read the article but I am not following what it does.
I just found a new supply of forks!

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Re: Kosher Switch
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2015, 08:08:53 AM »
I read the article but I am not following what it does.
On a halachic or electrical level? For the latter, the video explains

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Re: Kosher Switch
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2015, 08:27:04 AM »

Sounds like an eruv.

Wow great call, it's actually interesting cause that's one of the things that you still have people who completely won't carry, I.e. Growing up without it.

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Re: Kosher Switch
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2015, 08:45:11 AM »
It's actually a conversation and idea I've had many times before.  This idea of not using things that are 100% permissible because of the idea of it not "feeling" like Shabbos. And then what is my Shabbos really?


Makes for some interesting thought.

And while I love the idea of technology advancing I hope in 100+ years we don't have people driving around and using their cell phones Shabbos somehow.
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Re: Kosher Switch
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2015, 08:51:35 AM »
It's actually a conversation and idea I've had many times before.  This idea of not using things that are 100% permissible because of the idea of it not "feeling" like Shabbos. And then what is my Shabbos really?


Makes for some interesting thought.

And while I love the idea of technology advancing I hope in 100+ years we don't have people driving around and using their cell phones Shabbos somehow.
It'll happen & probably much sooner than 100 years.

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Re: Kosher Switch
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2015, 08:54:57 AM »
Is it compatible with the Shabbos texting app?  :P
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Re: Kosher Switch
« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2015, 08:58:05 AM »
Sounds great for hot plates.

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Re: Kosher Switch
« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2015, 09:17:03 AM »
Sounds great for hot plates.

FYI from everything I've heard and from electricians I've spoken to the fire from the hot plate had nothing to do with the fact that it was a hot plate or that it was plugged in too long. That isn't to say that as Jews we don't sometimes use items in a way not recommended by the manufacturer. Most crock-pots for example are not meant to be used longer than X amount of hours etc.

Seems to me this is like the guy with the shoe bomb and how we all have to take off our shoes at the airport now.
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Re: Kosher Switch
« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2015, 09:54:28 AM »
FYI from everything I've heard and from electricians I've spoken to the fire from the hot plate had nothing to do with the fact that it was a hot plate or that it was plugged in too long. That isn't to say that as Jews we don't sometimes use items in a way not recommended by the manufacturer. Most crock-pots for example are not meant to be used longer than X amount of hours etc.

Seems to me this is like the guy with the shoe bomb and how we all have to take off our shoes at the airport now.
That's the tsa for you. Always chasing the train they just missed.

ETA: purpose of this post is solely to take the thread further ot.
If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: Kosher Switch
« Reply #18 on: April 14, 2015, 09:59:16 AM »
Didn't they have something like this out in ads a couple years ago?
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Re: Kosher Switch
« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2015, 10:38:00 AM »
Really? I searched "kosher switch" Google and the forum search. Where is the first one?So far so good :)
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